Things or Animals that defy creation and evolution?

VirOptimus · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
You do fully understand there are some who are trying to destroy the foundation of christianity using "science". The ironic part is some "christians" have bought into it...then can't explain the fall and original sin.

But, your an atheist so i doubt you would understand.

No, I dont see thats the case. That would also be futile as science has nothing to do with religion.

-57 · Jun 13, 2019

VirOptimus said:
No, I dont see thats the case. That would also be futile as science has nothing to do with religion.

True to a certain degree. Science can support some of the religious context. An example would be the world wide flood of Noah.

HitchSlap · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
True to a certain degree. Science can support some of the religious context. An example would be the world wide flood of Noah.

As long as religious people accept science unequivocally. You can’t pick and choose, as this is intellectually dishonest. And we know absolutely a global flood never happened.

essentialsaltes · Jun 13, 2019

mathinspiration said:
I have my own theory. It is based on our common old enemy: crocodile. There have been recent studies and fossils that show them evolving their teeth and jaws, but not why they can’t chew meats?

Teeth are obviously helpful in catching and holding prey animals.

-57 · Jun 13, 2019

HitchSlap said:
As long as religious people accept science unequivocally. You can’t pick and choose, as this is intellectually dishonest. And we know absolutely a global flood never happened.

You can say that all you want to...but...we know absolutely a global flood happened.

essentialsaltes · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
You can say that all you want to...but...we know absolutely a global flood happened.

Such a thing would leave behind clear evidences, but the evidences show a very different story.

-57 · Jun 13, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
Such a thing would leave behind clear evidences, but the evidences show a very different story.

The evidence shows a world wide flood.

essentialsaltes · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
The evidence shows a world wide flood.

What sort of evidence you got?

-57 · Jun 13, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
What sort of evidence you got?

What do you have?

essentialsaltes · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
What do you have?

Different strata with different fossils showing that the distribution of biological life has changed substantially over time.

Trilobites down there, dinosaurs there, mammals up there.

jayem · Jun 13, 2019

This is a schematic of the coagulation cascade. And actually somewhat simplified. At least 13 different factors interacting with multiple enzymes. So many moving parts and places for things to go wrong. (Which is clearly a reason why blood clotting disorders are common.) Not what I'd call intelligent design.

The point here is that complexity does not indicate intelligent design. Just the opposite is true. Simplicity does. Example: You find a rock in your yard. It's very irregular in shape. Some surfaces are smooth and some are rough. Its mass is unbalanced--one end is larger and heavier than the other. Then you find another rock. This one is perfectly spherical. It's surface is uniform. Its mass is balanced and it rolls without wobbling. Rock 1 has a much more complex structure than Rock 2. But which one is likely to have resulted from random natural processes and which is likely to have been purposefully made?

VirOptimus · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
True to a certain degree. Science can support some of the religious context. An example would be the world wide flood of Noah.

No, the flood never happened. That is contrary to physical reality. Beliving in things contrary to physical reality is just stupid.

Religion is about meta-physics, not physics. Mixing the two is incredibly dumb.

USincognito · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
You do fully understand there are some who are trying to destroy the foundation of christianity using "science". The ironic part is some "christians" have bought into it...then can't explain the fall and original sin.

Surely you can name some of these "some" then.

-57 said:
But, your an atheist so i doubt you would understand.

USincognito · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
You can say that all you want to...but...we know absolutely a global flood happened.

Hilarious. The earliest geologists in Europe set out to find evidence for the Flood. The more they searched the more clear it became to them that the Flood didn't happen (or at least wasn't global). The situation has only gotten worse since then.

One of the biggest problems for Flood apologists, and one nearly all of them ignore is heat. The claim that the geologic record is due to the Flood, but that frankly, is impossible. Limestone only forms in calm, relatively shallow and warm seas so it couldn't form during the Flood anyway.

Limestone, like nearly all rock, isn't merely hardened mud. It undergoes a chemical process to harden and that process gives off heat. In fact it gives off so much heat that if the earth's limestone formed in 10,000 years the heat would have vaporized the surface of the earth. Since limestone was being used for construction shortly after the claimed time of the Flood, it would have had to solidify in an even shorter time making the heat problem all the worse.

And that's just one problem. We can aver, unequivocally, that the Flood (at least on a global scale) never happened.

USincognito · Jun 13, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
What sort of evidence you got?

-57 said:
What do you have?

^^^ This is the response of someone who has nothing.

Tinker Grey · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
You can say that all you want to...but...we know absolutely a global flood happened.

Those are idiosyncratic usages of the words know and absolute.

HitchSlap · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
You can say that all you want to...

It's not what I'm saying... it's what geologists say. They can't find any evidence for a flood, and mountains of evidence against a flood. Sorry, the cold hard facts are, the earth is 4.5 byo, and a global flood never happened.

-57 said:
but...we know absolutely a global flood happened.

All you know is what creo sites tell you, and they're expecting you to believe that a Hebrew creation myth including a global flood actually happened. Seriously, this is what they would have you believe. Forget the pyramids, forget Chinese Dynasties, forget Gobekli Tepi, forget Aboriginal history going back 75,000 years, and their unique genome going back 50,000 years... yep, forget all that, because Eric Hovind says the Grand Canyon should flow up hill. C'mon, don't be gullible. You're smarter than this!

Kylie · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
True to a certain degree. Science can support some of the religious context. An example would be the world wide flood of Noah.

I'm not aware of any good scientific evidence for a worldwide flood. Can you share?

Kylie · Jun 13, 2019

-57 said:
What do you have?

That's not really answering the question is it? You seem utterly incapable of producing any evidence to support your global flood claims.

essentialsaltes · Jun 13, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
Trilobites down there, dinosaurs there, mammals up there.

-57 said:
The evidence shows a world wide flood.

So....

essentialsaltes said:
What sort of evidence you got?

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