they promise others freedom?

[itsalldone]

Blessed are they who are persecuted for being holy........

Let us STUDY the following WORDS....
They “CALL” Themselves Christians

It’s exam time for ALL those who “call themselves” Christians

~~“And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Gal. 5: 24)

The true definition of “those who belong to CHRIST,” who are opposite to those who DO NOT belong to CHRIST!

As stated again. . .“Those who belong to CHRIST” would be the only actual real “Christians” according these WORDS of CREATION, according to this verse (among many following!) The next WORDS said “HAVE CRUCIFIED the flesh.” which means killed, done away with, extinguished. the "flesh" ("fallen human mind.") You can “SEE” stated, as a FACT, those who “Have Crucified,” are Past Tense Verbs which tie perfectly as to the proof of the WORDS of CREATION, of actually whom "HE" believes are Christians, that REALLY BELONG to the WORD.

Next in the PERFECT Order. . . . are the WORDs “… with the affections and lusts,” follows the Past Tense Verbiage, exacting just what has happened as “was crucified!” The "flesh" was CRUCIFIED, Extinguished!, done away with, put away, nullified, deleted, zeroed out, And the “affections and lusts” are what a person loves, has passions for, wants and desires, since the WORDS of CREATION stated an connected FACT: “But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.” (James 1: 14)

~~ For the second “witness” is a follows…”And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shall call His name *YEHOSHUA, for HE shall save HIS people from their sins.” (Matt.1:21) [ * Original Hebrew name, which means "the ONE WHO DELIVERED!"]

First of all “HE” the WORD of TRUTH, is the One who does the "delivering or saving!"

Secondly the Possessive Pronoun is “HIS people” which shows just who are “HIS people”… And according to these WORDS, are only those who are saved “from their sins.” The Divine Notification, by the WORD thru HIS angel is “HE shall save HIS people FROM their sins.” The word “save” (Greek sozo) means deliverance, to rescue from danger or destruction! So the more PERFECT WORDAGE would have been "*YEHOSHUA for HE shall delivered HIS people from their sins.”

And the definition of the word “from” (Greek ajpov) is of separation… a. of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, ... b. of separation from the whole …c. of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed…. d. of a state of separation, that is of distance 1. physical, of distance of place, 2. of distance (including that) of time “HIS people” are those "delivered FROM their sins” and NOT . . . “in their sins," but HE "severed HIS people FROM their sins.” HE never failed in what HE proposed to do, except for UNbelievers.

~~The next witnesses (plural) quoted directly from the WORDS of TRUTH, the ONE that can not LIE stated. . . “And everyone that has this faith in HIM, purifies themselves, even as HE is pure .”

How “PURE” is HE? Completely, WHOLLY, Totally PURE!

Than how PURE are "we" supposed to be? Answered already within the WORDS. . . “Even as HE is Pure!” That is HOW PURE HE "HIS people" are to be, "even as Pure as HE is PURE!" And if "you" are still trying "to work OUT you OWN salvation," than you are NOT allowing the AUTHOR of FAITH to provide you with already provided, 2000 year old "salvation THROUGH sanctification!"

4 "Who-so-ever commits sin transgresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law."

Just who are the “who-so-ever” spoken of here? Answer: Anyone or "Everyone who comments sin breaks the LAWS," of CREATION! They plainly attempt to mess up, defile, and corrupt the DIVINE CREATION!

Just exactly how many sins did it take Adam or Eve to commit EACH, to be removed from the DIVINE PERFECT CREATION?

Answer: is ONE sin EACH! Which of you has the mendacity to think they are “more” special, than Adam or Eve?

Does anyone of you, believe that the JUDGE of judges loves you more than that of the ORIGINAL DIVINELY CREATED?

Is there is anyone ignorant enough to believe that the ORIGINAL CREATOR loves them with MORE than HE LOVED the ORIGINAL CREATION? That would defy even "common sense," or even logic.

And just where (book, chapter and verse) did the DIVINE ONE TRUE CREATOR change HIS requirements, and lower the standards, for you "little sinners?" Answer: NEVER!

5 “And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin.”

First HE, the LIVING WORD, “was manifested to Take Away our sins” and just when was HE manifested? 2000 years ago!
Unless HE is a failure (to you), than HE must have “taken away our sins” (PAST TENSE) for true believers anyway) Again, according to the WORDS of CREATION, that "we" are supposed to be CREATED FROM, BY and FOR, stated that "Take away our sins!" And some of us "KNOW" and SEE the WORDS of CREATION, and LIVE by, for and through these WORDS! JUST WHY were the WORDS of CREATION "MANIFESTED," To "TAKE AWAY OUR SINS" (plural.) Guess what does"TAKE AWAY" means?
OH yes, REMOVED, DELETED, EXTINGUISHED . PUT AWAY, SEPARATED, SEVERED, TOOK AWAY, Vanquished! Believe it or not! Sinners can NOT live these WORDS, because they are NOT followers on the WHOLE WORD of CREATION, just the MISS-translated words, do they "follow!"

Secondly stated was, “and in Him is no sin.” When a “believer” “is truly "IN" these WORDS of CREATION, HERE!, there is “NO sin.”

Ask the TRUE “who-so-evers" that are truly living IN these WORDS, NOW!” Do not ask anyone who is NOT living in these WORDS, because they are NOT YET, "DWELLING IN HIM!"

Are you "abiding in HIM?" REALLY? Than you MUST be LIVING these following WORDS also . . . .

6 "Who-so-ever abides in HIM sins not, whosoever sins has not seen HIM, nor neither knows HIM."

The “who-so-ever abides in HIM, sins NOT” is straight forward, not complicated! Again the "what-so-ever" equals EVERYONE, or anyone “Whosoever sins has not seen HIM,” They do NOT have “eyes to see!” those WORDS! And “Neither knows HIM,” as these WORDS state, they do NOT know these WORDS! And the pretend-a-Christians just “say” they “know” the WORDS of CREATION, WHO IS GOD (John 1: 1-3 ). And “the WORD was made [as] flesh and dwelt among us." (John. 1: 14)

But do they really know THESE WORDS RIGHT HERE, which states, withOUT a doubt that REAL Christians do NOT SIN! And the WORD, Himself says "who-so-ever sins does NOT know HIM!” Who are we to believe, the WORDS of CREATION, here, or anyone who-so-ever who is still a sinner? Just out of common LOGIC, no one who is still living in sin, can NOT even explain these words, even if they PRETEND to believe some of the other WORDS of CREATION!

NEXT!

7 ”Little children, let no man deceive you, they that do righteousness are righteous, even as HE is righteous.”

Do NOT "let anyone deceive you, they that do righteousness ARE righteous, even as He is righteous."

Are these WORDS of CREATION, telling the TRUTH here? Answer... YES, without a doubt all TRUTH and no-thing but the TRUTH!

So let everyone who sins be a "liar," because the WORD NEVER lies!

And just how "righteousness is HE?"
HOW HOLY and Pure is the PERFECT WORDS of CREATION?
HOW COMPLETE ARE these PERFECT WORDS?
And “we, the true believers," the R-E-A-L FOLLOWERS of the WORD, are to be “righteous EVEN as righteousness and HE is!" YES and amen (So BE IT! )

8 “Who-so-ever that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the SON of GOD was manifested, that HE may destroy the works of the devil.”

This is WORDS of TRUTH speaking and being heard, seen and being lived, by all those who are NOT still “deceived,” but not ALL those who are still sinning.

"Who-so-ever commits sin is of the devil” NO maybes, nor doubts, unless the “whosoever” are still "deceived" by "their OWN incomplete "fallen HUMAN" minds!

THE CREATOR of this UNIVERSE stated . . “Who-so-ever that commits sin is of the devil! And "IF" there were NO other WORDS, like these WORDS, in ALL of CREATION, these should PROVE, without another "witness" that ANYONE and EVERYONE who sins is of the devil! And in reality NO other WORDS are required by true believers, about who sinners belong to, and are created from, the EVIL one!

NEXT the DIVINE WORDs state. . . "for what propose was the SON of GOD manifested.”

HE stated "the PROPOSE" the REASON, to be "manifested" was to "destroy the works of the devil!"

Just when was “HE manifested,” for that purpose?. . . Answer 2000 years ago!

So the "destruction" of the "works of the devil" must have happened (PAST TENSE, for believers) 2000 years ago! Well unless, your IDEA, concept, perception, and or your "version" of a almost part "savior" is only one that can partially ALMOST save you FROM the "works of the devil?" Or YOUR savior, is just not that "power filled" to deliverer you FROM the "works of the devil," knowing how powerful your sins are to you!

Now the opposition or the "sinners, little impotent, non-powered-filled little pretend-a-god, made in "their" own image, who did not achieve his purpose, and could not possibly "destroy the works of the d-evil," for them. And that same conjured up non-powerful, one that the sinners follow, is the same one who "forgives them FOR their sin," and IN their sin, because he is made in "THEIR" image!

Titus 1:15 "To the pure all things are pure. But to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled?"

The devil's followers, "who-so-ever sins belongs to the devil." do not believe that anyone else can be so pure, and so UNdefiled as to be Wholly Created by the PURE and WHOLLY ONE DIVINE WORD!

Titus 1:16 "They profess that they know GOD, but in their works they deny HIM, being abominable and disobedient and reprobate to every good work."

"They profess they know the WORD," but they do not believe
1. That HE is power-filled enough to "DESTROY the works of the devil" Nor do they believe
2. That anyone else could be and live "pure as the CREATOR in heaven is PURE!" As the UNgodly are those who are
3. Still "Defiled. . .being abominable and disobedient and reprobate to every good work.. . . DENY HIS WORDS, here that the PERFECT WORD could, and did "destroy the works of the devil!"

Most all of the "defiled and unbelieving" cry . . . . "NO one can live that pure! We all have to sin!"

So just who do they profess is more power-filled? Answer: 'Their father of sin, that is who!'

And yes, and ALL sinners, are going to spend ALL eternity with that "forgive a sinner" one, in the special place that the ALMIGHTY ONE WORD, that I serve, WHO made a special place for the corrupted souls to live in their "self" imposed TORMENT, because they did not have HIS FAITH to be made pure, wholly, clean, mentally and morally!

It really does not matter what "church" the sinners belong to. . . .
Sinners GO TO HELL, saints go belong to heaven!

And that the pretend-a-god that the sinners "worship," is in fact the "evil one," their own sinning selves, who his followers / his children are created in the image thereof, and the same ones who do not believe that the DIVINE WORD can take away their sin!

Only the "sinners" are those who are "deceived" as they believe that EVERYONE has to live life according to "THEIR" sin stained ways! BUT the PURE ONE stated different!

They who "Continue to stay in sin," and the "flesh," are NOT "HIS people!" To simple for WORDS!

As the WORDS of CREATION so PERFECTLY state, right here, in and by HIS very OWN WORDS!

Let everyone be known as a LIAR who tries to state or debate anything to the opposite!

 

[Deusmaximaerror]

Excellent points, all well delievered, if abit convoluted. I for one am a fake christian. The amazing thing about your points is that even though you state much with considerable length, with considerable linguistic verbosity, you merely have taken it upon yourself to outright condemn and dehumanize everyone who is slightly not up to your standards.

Do you really, honestly believe that YOU are doing "the good works" by placing such a message of discouragement, and superiority in the New Christians section? Really?

You speak volumes on what you hate, but you said nothing to bring people closer to God. YOU just served Satan by "letting the little ones come to harm".

Am I wrong? Am I a liar? I don't believe you can make the accurate judgment, for you are NOT the judge.

"Anyone who sets himself up as the judge on the sea of truth, and knowledge is promptly shipwrecked by the laughter of God" - Albert Einstein

 

[Harry3142]

Excellent points, all well delievered, if abit convoluted. I for one am a fake christian. The amazing thing about your points is that even though you state much with considerable length, with considerable linguistic verbosity, you merely have taken it upon yourself to outright condemn and dehumanize everyone who is slightly not up to your standards.

Do you really, honestly believe that YOU are doing "the good works" by placing such a message of discouragement, and superiority in the New Christians section? Really?

You speak volumes on what you hate, but you said nothing to bring people closer to God. YOU just served Satan by "letting the little ones come to harm".

Am I wrong? Am I a liar? I don't believe you can make the accurate judgment, for you are NOT the judge.

"Anyone who sets himself up as the judge on the sea of truth, and knowledge is promptly shipwrecked by the laughter of God" - Albert Einstein

Well said.

 

[Harry3142]

Itsalldone-

Are you claiming to be sinless? If so, then you are calling Scripture itself a liar:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by oberving the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished - he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:19-26,NIV)

The righteousness we need in order to obtain salvation is a righteousness which we cannot earn as a salary, or purchase as an asset. Instead we must humble ourselves as the tax collector did in the temple (Luke 18:9-14), and accept the righteousness which God gives freely to all who put their trust in Jesus Christ.

It is our faith, not our works, that achieves for us the righteousness that we need for salvation, as St. Paul himself noted:

What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written:

"See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." (Romans 9:30-33,NIV)

Our salvation is assured only through our putting our trust in what Christ himself has already accomplished. Obeying a set of laws will not save us; placing our faith in Christ will:

Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them." But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' " (that is, to bring Christ down) "or 'Who will descend into the deep?' " (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in you mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:5-13,NIV)

Besides which, we have a quirk in our nature that makes obeying any set of laws to the extent God would require quite literally impossible. St. Paul himself recognized this, and wrote candidly concerning his own struggle with sin because of it:

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do - this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God - through Jesus Christ our Lord! (Romans 7:14-25a,NIV)

We now call this facet of our psyche 'paradoxical intention'. It is such a part of our nature that psychologists have even used it in order to treat their patients. It is also the reason for the old saying, "The harder you try, the faster you fail." It ensures that the only 'laws' that we will follow are those laws that we have written ourselves, integrating our own sinful nature into them, unless a being outside ourselves takes direct action to circumvent this quirk.

But this is exactly what God has done. In the passage that you quoted a single verse of (completely out of context, I might add), St. Paul explained how God accomplished through direct intervention, including subduing our sinful nature and himself implanting in us a new nature, what we could never accomplish through attempting to follow a set of laws and commandments:

So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. (Galatians 5:16-26,NIV)

Who is doing the fighting in this passage? It's the Spirit, not we ourselves. Our place is to put ourselves behind the Spirit, not in front of him. It can be compared to the military formation which the roman legions made famous. Those soldiers in front engaged the enemy, while the soldiers behind them were prepared to take their place should they be stricken. But we can have confidence that nothing is capable of striking down God's Spirit.

Look at how many of 'the acts of the sinful nature' aren't actions, but instead are the emotions which lead to the commission of sinful acts. and are the very core of our nature. We can no more bring those emotions under control than a leopard can exchange his spots for the stripes of a tiger. But what we cannot do, namely, subdue our sinful nature, God is more than willing to do for us.

Also, 'the fruit of the Spirit' are not muscles to be developed through exercise; they're the emotions which must be at the very core of our new nature if that nature is to truly conform to God's will. The 9 'fruit' listed here are to be seen as 'the laws written on the heart'. It is through our permitting them to control our words and actions that we are freed from the law. They are to be seen as the origin of all our words and actions if those words and actions are to be seen as being 'in synch' with God's plans for us. The are the borders within which everything we say and do must have its impetus if what we say and do is to be seen as being 'in step with the Spirit'.

So our salvation and our ability to do God's will following our accepting that salvation are both totally dependent on God's grace. He offers us salvation that he himself has earned for us through the work that he and his Son, Jesus Christ, accomplished. And we are only capable of doing what he wants of us because of his Spirit's direct intervention in our lives, subduing our base, sinful nature and replacinig that nature with one which he implants within us. So in both instances the sole credit goes to God, not us. We are merely the recipients of his mercy.

And by doing things in this manner God has displayed his wisdom. If we could take credit for any part of what happens to us in order to make us righteous as God see righteousness, then an entrance for the most dangerous sin of all would be available. And that sin is the sin of Pride. By God's doing all the work necessary, he has left us no 'wiggle room' to permit Pride to infect what he has done. We are instead to se ourselves as the debtors whose debts God paid himself, and then whom God himself 'rewired' so that he could continue his work through us.

 

[now faith]

I would throw Romans chapter 8 into this in which would apply to the context, but I think there may be someone who has been hurt by legalism in the post. When we are exposed to a legal inviroment we see the oppressor as infallible until we observe them in a fleshly act. Bitterness toward all Church doctorian is the result and a new self made one out of anger becomes the truth. Forgiveness is the beginning of breaking the bonds and seeking Gods truth through prayer and being sensitive to the knowlage of the Holy Spirit for discernment .

 

[Bible2]

now faith said in post #5:

I would throw Romans chapter 8 into this in which would apply to the context, but I think there may be someone who has been hurt by legalism in the post. When we are exposed to a legal inviroment we see the oppressor as infallible until we observe them in a fleshly act. Bitterness toward all Church doctorian is the result and a new self made one out of anger becomes the truth. Forgiveness is the beginning of breaking the bonds and seeking Gods truth through prayer and being sensitive to the knowlage of the Holy Spirit for discernment .

Amen.

Man-made legalism can drive people away even from God's own truth in the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16-17), and into their own ideas of what's right and wrong (Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 28:26).

Regarding God's truth in Romans 8:1: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit", it should be noted that the latter half of Romans 8:1 states the condition for the first half of Romans 8:1. If the latter half isn't done, then the first half doesn't apply (Romans 8:13, 1 Corinthians 9:27, Hebrews 10:26-29).

Similarly, regarding legalism, it should be noted that grace sets Christians free from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 6:14b, John 1:17), but not from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ (Galatians 6:2, John 15:10, 1 Corinthians 9:21, Jeremiah 31:31-34, Matthew 26:28), the commandments of which (John 14:15) are those Jesus gave, for example, in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19-7:29) and in the writings of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37, cf. 1 Thessalonians 4:2).

For while Christians are initially saved by grace by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 4:1-5), and don't have to obey the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to obtain ultimate salvation (Galatians 2:16), they do have to obey the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ in order to obtain ultimate salvation (Revelation 22:14, Hebrews 5:9, Matthew 7:21, Romans 2:6-8).

It's by believers obeying Jesus Christ's New Covenant/New Testament commandments, whether obeying them currently (1 John 3:24) or during the coming tribulation (Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 12:17b), that believers can be sure that they're truly loving him (John 14:21-24, 1 John 5:3) and that they're remaining in his love (John 15:10, John 14:21b,23b, Jude 1:21). Christians must fear ultimately losing their salvation, ultimately being cut off the same as unbelievers, if they don't continue in his goodness (Romans 11:20-22, Luke 12:45-46).

 

[now faith]

Amen and amen.

 

[LilLamb219]

We are saints because of Christ, but because we are still in these sinful bodies, we are sinners. This is why we are always in need of a Savior and thankfully one has been given. The ones who reject the Christ damn themselves.