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Yes there is a Hell.There is no hell. The words in scripture were not correctly translated into English. The joining of the Pagan religion about hell is a Catholic invention.See Holman Bible Dictionary at: http://studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T2696
The number of times "Hell" appears the in text of English Bible Translations.
Bible Translations
Old Testament
New Testament
Total
"Authorized" King James Version
31
23
54
New King James Version
19
13
32
American Standard Version
0
13
13
New American Standard Bible
0
13
13
Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
New Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
Revised English Bible
0
13
13
New Living Translation
0
13
13
Amplified
0
13
13
New International Version (best-selling English Bible)
0
14
14
Darby
0
12
12
New Century Version
0
12
12
Wesley's New Testament (1755)
0
0
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)
0
0
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)
0
0
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
0
0
0
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)
0
0
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
0
0
0
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
0
0
0
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)
0
0
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
0
0
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)
0
0
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)
0
0
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)
0
0
Western N.T. (1926)
0
0
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)
0
0
Concordant Literal NT (1983)
0
0
The N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)
0
0
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)
0
0
New American Bible (1970)
0
0
0
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
0
0
0
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
0
0
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)
0
0
Christian Bible (1991)
0
0
0
World English Bible (in progress)
0
0
0
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)
0
0
0
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)
0
0
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)
0
0
It was the bias of the translators that have established it in scripture.
The Hebrew word “Sheol” Should have been translated as “grave”.
The Angle Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more than a mistranslation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.
Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)
Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament
She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about half of scriptures as hell, the other half as grave
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.
Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem.
It is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living? It is true that God will bring the condemed back to life, as a part of their punishment. The word "fire" and other words like it, are often used parabolically to mean judgement. We do not worship a God who is without mercy or who tortures people for all eternity.
John 5.
28. "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29. and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
And that is why Jesus said that both body and spirit could be destroyed in gehenna.
The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again.
The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as an INTERPRETATION for "grave."
where do you find in the bible "salvation pre christ"... besides the Law
Hades, and sheol, which according to scripture which you conveniently ignore, are more than a hole in the ground where people are buried. You also conveniently ignore that death along with Hades is thrown into the LOF. Death is the punctiliar cessation of life, it has no physical properties therefore cannot be thrown anywhere but the angel of death and the demon of hades are sentient beings with power to kill, and can be and are thrown into the LOF.
[SIZE=-1]why do you assume that the lake of fire has physical properties? we are talking about the spiritual realm and death most definitely has spiritual properties[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Der Alter Re. Post # 195:
Of course there is no escape, once you enter you die.[/SIZE]
Why do you assume that the lake of fire, etc. is spiritual? I call this the SPAM-Fig argument. Many people, when scripture as written contradicts what they want to believe, they automatically say it is symbolic, poetic, allegory, metaphor, or figurative. There is a maxim about interpreting scripture, if the plain sense, makes good sense, it is nonsense, then it is nonsense, to look for any other sense. If you have scriptural, lexical, grammatical, or historical evidence that this is figurative, etc., please present it.
We'll all know about the existence of Hell soon enough.
The person that Jesus was speaking of in hades, was being tormented in flames, he begged for water. Father Abraham said that nobody could come from that place to him, nor could they go from where Abraham and Lazarus were to the place where the dead man was. As I recall both Abraham and Lazarus, were also dead.
Yes!!!
Yes there is a Hell.
this is also from 1 Enoch
"And after that my grandfather Enoch gave me the teaching of all the secrets in the book in the Parables which had been given to him, and he put them together for me in the words of the book 2
of the Parables. And on that day Michael answered Raphael and said: 'The power of the spirit transports and makes me to tremble because of the severity of the judgement of the secrets, the judgement of the angels: who can endure the severe judgement which has been executed, and before 3
which they melt away?' And Michael answered again, and said to Raphael: 'Who is he whose heart is not softened concerning it, and whose reins are not troubled by this word of judgement 4
(that) has gone forth upon them because of those who have thus led them out?' And it came to pass when he stood before the Lord of Spirits, Michael said thus to Raphael: 'I will not take their part under the eye of the Lord; for the Lord of Spirits has been angry with them because they do 5
as if they were the Lord. Therefore all that is hidden shall come upon them for ever and ever; for neither angel nor man shall have his portion (in it), but alone they have received their judgement for ever and ever."
oh btw...the jews were well acquainted with this book and used it as scripture(early christians did as well) its also quoted in Jude
Hell is a concept perceived by men. It is not part of the original teaching of Judaism. The Hebrew word Sheol translated into English is "Grave."There is no hell.
...prove it.
You do not know what you are talking about. You should go and study that subject.how many times do I have to say it:
sheol is NOT hell
sheol is the abode of the dead at this current time that is somehow spiritually connected to the earth
sinners and righteous alike dwell awaiting resurrection
the lake of fire is "hell"
Hell is a concept perceived by men. It is not part of the original teaching of Judaism. The Hebrew word Sheol translated into English is "Grave."
from 2 esdras(4 ezra)
[76] He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not be associated with those who have shown scorn, nor number yourself among those who are tormented.
[77] For you have a treasure of works laid up with the Most High; but it will not be shown to you until the last times.
[78] Now, concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone forth from the Most High that a man shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High.
[79] And if it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, and who have despised his law, and who have hated those who fear God --
[80] such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, ever grieving and sad, in seven ways.
[81] The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High.
[82] The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance that they may live.
[83] The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High.
[84] The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days.
[85] The fifth way, they shall see how the habitations of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet.
[86] The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will pass over into torments.
[87] The seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the Most High before whom they sinned while they were alive, and before whom they are to be judged in the last times.
[88] "Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body.
[89] During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour, that they might keep the law of the Lawgiver perfectly.
[90] Therefore this is the teaching concerning them:
[91] First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders.
[92] The first order, because they have striven with great effort to overcome the evil thought which was formed with them, that it might not lead them astray from life into death.
[93] The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the ungodly wander, and the punishment that awaits them.
[94] The third order, they see the witness which he who formed them bears concerning them, that while they were alive they kept the law which was given them in trust.
[95] The fourth order, they understand the rest which they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory which awaits them in the last days.
[96] The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped what is corruptible, and shall inherit what is to come; and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty which they are to receive and enjoy in immortality.
[97] The sixth order, when it is shown to them how their face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on.
[98] The seventh order, which is greater than all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion, and shall be glad without fear, for they hasten to behold the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified.
[99] This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the aforesaid are the ways of torment which those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter."
[100] I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?"
[101] He said to me, "They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterwards they shall be gathered in their habitations."
1 Enoch is probably the first scripture that ever existed and the jews were well aware of it and used it(early christians as well)
The Book of Enoch (also 1 Enoch[1]) is a pseudepigraphic work ascribed to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah and son of Jared (Genesis 5:18).
While this book today is non-canonical in most Christian Churches, it was quoted as a prophetic text in the New Testament (Letter of Jude with also a probable reference in I Peter 3:19,20 to Enoch 6-36, especially 21, 6; 2 Enoch 7:1-5) and by many of the early Church Fathers. It is quoted as Scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas.[2] The Ethiopian Orthodox Church to this day regards it to be canonical.
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