There IS no gravity.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

It's a theory, like evolution. Not a law like biogenesis.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

Funny one:

JackRT · Oct 28, 2018

Gravity and evolution are quite similarly in that both are facts and both have a theory to explain those facts. In the case of gravity there are actually several theories.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

More serious:

timewerx · Oct 28, 2018

Just because the "most brilliant" minds can't figure out something doesn't mean something doesn't exist.

If gravity does not exist, then neither are we because we ourselves generate gravity. Nothing is real. We would be nothing more than thoughts in someone else's mind.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

JackRT said:
Gravity and evolution are quite similarly in that both are facts and both have a theory to explain those facts. In the case of gravity there are actually several theories.

I mean no disrespect when I tell you that you just contradicted yourself in accepting theory as fact.
Biogenesis is a fact. Evolution & gravity are theories as you admit, but they aren't facts as you assert.

I would've assumed your regard for theory to have inspired a view of and comment on, the actual theories in the video.
I've been called naïve, so who knows.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

timewerx said:
Just because the "most brilliant" minds can't figure out something doesn't mean something doesn't exist.

If gravity does not exist, then neither are we because we ourselves generate gravity. Nothing is real. We would be nothing more than thoughts in someone else's mind.

I appreciate your willingness to consider alternatives.

timewerx · Oct 28, 2018

Rick Otto said:
I appreciate your willingness to consider alternatives.

You're welcome. My opinion is a little biased though. It came from lifelong experiences with the paranormal / supernatural.

The conclusion that gravity either doesn't exist or is only "imaginary" seem to agree with my observations of the supernatural.

expos4ever · Oct 28, 2018

Rick Otto said:
I mean no disrespect when I tell you that you just contradicted yourself in accepting theory as fact.
Biogenesis is a fact. Evolution & gravity are theories as you admit, but they aren't facts as you assert.

I would've assumed your regard for theory to have inspired a view of and comment on, the actual theories in the video.
I've been called naïve, so who knows.

Are you sure you understand what “theory” means in the context of scientific inquiry? The meaning is quite different than common usage.

And evolution is most certainly a fact.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

expos4ever said:
Are you sure you understand what “theory” means in the context of scientific inquiry? The meaning is quite different than common usage.

And evolution is most certainly a fact.

Not interested in semantic bogs.
A theory is most certainly not a fact.
It is conjecture however educated it judges itself.
Biogenesis is a fact ( a law), not a theory. There's your scientific context.
So,... yes, I'm sure I understand the definitions and their context, thanks.
Are you sure you do, though?
A theory is a fact per se, but it's content isn't necessarily factual.
That there is legitimate evolution within species is factual, but extrapolating an origin of species therefrom, is theoretical.
I don't intend to demean theory, I just want to remove the pedestal out from under a couple of them.

expos4ever · Oct 28, 2018

Rick Otto said:
A theory is a fact per se, but it's content isn't necessarily factual.

You are moving the goalposts. I never claimed a theory was necessarily factual.

Evolution is a fact, but, of course, not a necessary fact.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

timewerx said:
You're welcome. My opinion is a little biased though. It came from lifelong experiences with the paranormal / supernatural.

The conclusion that gravity either doesn't exist or is only "imaginary" seem to agree with my observations of the supernatural.

I see.
I prayed to be spared that stuff when I was 10yrs old and it seems to have worked for the most part.
An alternative explanation that might resolve the distinctions could be an electrical one.
Satan fell "like a bolt of lightning".
So "falling" might need to be considered from a different angle.

Rick Otto · Oct 28, 2018

You are moving the goalposts

.
I respectfully disagree.

I never claimed a theory was necessarily factual.

I never claimed six is a half dozen, either... but it is. In other words, you equated the two when you said 'evolution is a fact'...

Evolution is a fact, but, of course, not a necessary fact.

Let me be more clear:
The theory of Evolution in it's assertion as the origin of species, is a theory, not a law like biogenesis.

Can you agree with that statement?

timewerx · Oct 28, 2018

Rick Otto said:
I see.
I prayed to be spared that stuff when I was 10yrs old and it seems to have worked for the most part.
An alternative explanation that might resolve the distinctions could be an electrical one.
Satan fell "like a bolt of lightning".
So "falling" might need to be considered from a different angle.

That is a good prayer to make. You must be wise at 10! At that age, only thing I have in mind is fool around and never really cared about prayers.

You can only imagine how scary it is for a child to experience some paranormal / supernatural stuff.

It's only in recent times I've been coming to realization of the phenomenon, overcame my fears and able to figure out a way to control it.

But also came a realization that our reality is not what it seems in plain sight. So what the scientists are figuring helps to confirm my own observations.

Jesus did mention it a few times. Explicitly in John 6:63. "The flesh counts for nothing". Because the possibility it ain't real. Funny coincidence God's chosen people is called "Israel" or "Is-real". Are we real?? lol!

Erik Nelson · Oct 29, 2018

Rick Otto said:
It's a theory, like evolution. Not a law like biogenesis.

electromagnetism is a force, in that charged particles interact with each other directly (via virtual photons)

gravity is described differently, matter curves space, which affects other particles' motions, gravity is the result of warped space time, not a direct particle interaction per se

it may be possible to unify the various effects and describe them all the same way, eg. Kaluza Klein theory

Rick Otto · Oct 29, 2018

Erik Nelson said:
electromagnetism is a force, in that charged particles interact with each other directly (via virtual photons)

gravity is described differently, matter curves space, which affects other particles' motions, gravity is the result of warped space time, not a direct particle interaction per se

it may be possible to unify the various effects and describe them all the same way, eg. Kaluza Klein theory

I believe their argument states there are no particles. It is simply a description of a point on a spiraling wave.
And the magnetic pole is a shaft of equilibrium which the energy seeks.

If the moon's gravity is enough to cause tides, the earth's gravity would've crashed it already.

That's the explanation given here as I understand it.

JackRT · Oct 29, 2018

Rick Otto said:
If the moon's gravity is enough to cause tides, the earth's gravity would've crashed it already.

The earth's gravity also caused tides on the moon. So much so that at present one side of the moon is now locked on to the earth. This had the secondary effect of causing the moon to drift very slowly away from the earth in its orbit. Orbital mechanics is actually very well understood and explained by Newtonian physics.

lasthero · Oct 29, 2018

Rick Otto said:
If the moon's gravity is enough to cause tides, the earth's gravity would've crashed it already.

This strikes me as an odd statement. Compared to the bulk of the Earth, the ocean's are actually a less than a percent of Earth's total mass. The cover most of the surface, but that's just it - the surface.

If gravity isn't causing the tides, what is?

Rick Otto · Oct 29, 2018

QUOTE="JackRT, post: The earth's gravity also caused tides on the moon.

I am forced to guess that you must mean "gravity tides" as I'm guessing you know there are no oceans there.

So much so that at present one side of the moon is now locked on to the earth.

I love Science Fiction because it has internal logic despite it resting on it's tradition of wild speculation to set the stage.

This had the secondary effect of causing the moon to drift very slowly away from the earth in its orbit. Orbital mechanics is actually very well understood and explained by Newtonian physics.

Well, I'm not so confident.
You see, math is just a language, not a measure of truth.
It translates truth efficiently, but it also expresses wild imagination based on flawed assumptions.
Einstein affirmed this indirectly when asked, 'How's it feel to the smartest man alive'? and he answered, "I don't know. Ask Nicola Tesla."
Co-incidentally, Tesla said pretty much the same as I'm trying to...
that scientists have substituted math for experimentation.
Math is just a numerical expression of whatever one wants to express.
It's like any computing process "garbage in, garbage out".
Are you familiar with Newton's work with Alchemy?

usexpat97 · Oct 31, 2018

I'm not quite understanding the purpose of this thread, other than maybe it makes a point about how you should question EVERYTHING. It's the Conspiracy Theories section.

The observation of gravity is one of the founding principles of the scientific method. You drop an apple from a tower, it accelerates downward at 32.2 ft/s^2. I don't know how gravity is to be defined a "theory"--that is a scientific observation, intended to test a theory. Gravity is simply defined to be that observation.

Now, where theory comes in is when physicists attempt to unify all forms of energy into one. We've built multi-billion-dollar atom smashers like CERN for the express purpose to test that theory. Definitely far more difficult than dropping an apple.

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