LDS "There are save two churches only..."

[Rescued One]

Book of Mormon
2 Nephi 28
1 And now, behold, my brethren, I have spoken unto you, according as the Spirit hath constrained me; wherefore, I know that they must surely come to pass.

2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel. (Where is this remnant?)

3 For it shall come to pass in that day that the churches which are built up, and not unto the Lord, when the one shall say unto the other: Behold, I, I am the Lord’s; and the others shall say: I, I am the Lord’s; and thus shall every one say that hath built up churches, and not unto the Lord—

4 And they shall contend one with another; and their priests shall contend one with another, and they shall teach with their learning, and deny the Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance.

5 And they deny the power of God, the Holy One of Israel; and they say unto the people: Hearken unto us, and hear ye our precept; for behold there is no God today, for the Lord and the Redeemer hath done his work, and he hath given his power unto men;

6 Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a God of miracles; he hath done his work.

7 Yea, and there shall be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die; and it shall be well with us.

8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.

It is the Mormons who say you can progress to perfection in the next life.

 

[Rescued One]

You ask, "How can there be only two churches?"

2 Nephi 28
3 For it shall come to pass in that day that the churches which are built up, and not unto the Lord, when the one shall say unto the other: Behold, I, I am the Lord’s; and the others shall say: I, I am the Lord’s; and thus shall every one say that hath built up churches, and not unto the Lord—

 

[drstevej]

—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this...

Some versions read...

—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, take Fanny to the barn for pleasure, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this...

 

[withwonderingawe]

Some versions read...

—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, take Fanny to the barn for pleasure, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this...

Seems to me this is exactly what Phoebe is purposing, she keeps posting quotes from Mormon leaders which say 'you must be obedient to God's commandments in order to be saved' with the idea that there is something unchristian about that idea.

 

[withwonderingawe]

You ask, "How can there be only two churches?"

2 Nephi 28
3 For it shall come to pass in that day that the churches which are built up, and not unto the Lord, when the one shall say unto the other: Behold, I, I am the Lord’s; and the others shall say: I, I am the Lord’s; and thus shall every one say that hath built up churches, and not unto the Lord—

1Cor 1
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and thatthere be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you

 

[fatboys]

Some versions read...

—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, take Fanny to the barn for pleasure, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this...

He will justify committing a little sin, yea, lie a little for his own sake, yea to feel the pleasure of causing harm to those who have faith in Christ. For unto him will the sin become more as he continues to spread rumors as his fathers father had done before him. But if he repents and joins the church of the lamb of God he will become as one with God. If he will not repent and change his heart he will be thrust down to hell for he is fighting against the true church which the devil himself is deceiving many to destroy truth for the devil hates truth as do those he deceives to do his bidding.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Book of Mormon
2 Nephi 28
8 And there shall also be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry; nevertheless, fear God—he will justify in committing a little sin; yea, lie a little, take the advantage of one because of his words, dig a pit for thy neighbor; there is no harm in this; and do all these things, for tomorrow we die; and if it so be that we are guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in the kingdom of God.

Wow! Contrast that against the Bible which says the opposite:
Isaiah 53
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

So Mormon teaching from their scripture is that we will be healed by our own stripes whereas Christian teaching in God's Word says it is with HIS stripes we are healed.

Mormonism is NOT Christian.

 

[fatboys]

Wow! Contrast that against the Bible which says the opposite:
Isaiah 53
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

So Mormon teaching from their scripture is that we will be healed by our own stripes whereas Christian teaching in God's Word says it is with HIS stripes we are healed.

Mormonism is NOT Christian.

Reread it

 

[Jane_Doe]

So Mormon teaching from their scripture is that we will be healed by our own stripes whereas Christian teaching in God's Word says it is with HIS stripes we are healed.

This is not what the quoted verses say at all, nor is it what Mormons believe.

 

[Rescued One]

... But if he repents and joins the church of the lamb of God he will become as one with God. If he will not repent and change his heart he will be thrust down to hell for he is fighting against the true church which the devil himself is deceiving many to destroy truth for the devil hates truth as do those he deceives to do his bidding.

“Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore who so belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.” (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

Which church are you a part of?

 

[Jane_Doe]

“Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore who so belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the harlot of all the earth.” (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

Which church are you a part of?

I am a disciple of Christ, a child of God, and a member of His church.

How about you?

 

[Rescued One]

1Cor 1
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and thatthere be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you

Joseph Smith brought greater division instead of unity.

 

[Rescued One]

2 Nephi 28
1 And now, behold, my brethren, I have spoken unto you, according as the Spirit hath constrained me; wherefore, I know that they must surely come to pass.

2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel.

I'm still wondering "Where is this remnant?" Does any Mormon know?

 

[drstevej]

I'm still wondering "Where is this remnant?" Does any Mormon know?

Warren Jeffs ?

 

[Alla27]

2 Nephi 28
1 And now, behold, my brethren, I have spoken unto you, according as the Spirit hath constrained me; wherefore, I know that they must surely come to pass.

2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel.

I'm still wondering "Where is this remnant?" Does any Mormon know?

Why are you wondering about it? Is there any particular reason for that?
Does any Mormon have to know this?

 

[Rescued One]

Why are you wondering about it? Is there any particular reason for that?
Does any Mormon have to know this?

Yes, you have to know if you want anyone to follow your teachings. Where are the Nephites?

 

[Alla27]

Yes, you have to know if you want anyone to follow your teachings. Where are the Nephites?

God knows everything. God knew where I was and He sent missionaries to me. God will lead His missionaries. So, no worries here.

 

[Rescued One]

God knows everything. God knew where I was and He sent missionaries to me. God will lead His missionaries. So, no worries here.

Well, there were no Nephites; that's why you can't find any.

 

[SeekerOfChrist94]

God knows everything. God knew where I was and He sent missionaries to me. God will lead His missionaries. So, no worries here.

Yes but Mormonism claims to know all the answers to everything, so where are the Nephites?

 

[withwonderingawe]

2 Nephi 28
1 And now, behold, my brethren, I have spoken unto you, according as the Spirit hath constrained me; wherefore, I know that they must surely come to pass.
2 And the things which shall be written out of the book shall be of great worth unto the children of men, and especially unto our seed, which is a remnant of the house of Israel.

I'm still wondering "Where is this remnant?" Does any Mormon know?

This is one of those questions which puzzles us Mormons because if you were Mormon and know Mormonism so well you should know the answer.

Article of Faith
10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent

Moses prophesied to the whole house of Israel;
Deut 4
27 And the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you.
28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

So the Lord would scatter them but not haphazardly he would lead them among the nations

"But he also promises; When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them."

The covenant was first he would be a God unto them, second the land of Abraham would be theirs forever. There is another promise which was made to Joseph of Egypt; Jacob told him

"Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:......The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren" Gen 49.

Joseph's family would move beyond the bounds of the lands promised to the everlasting hills, that's here in the Americas.

Ezekiel prophesied of the same thing;

Eze11
16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

In Eze 37 there are three different prophecies concerning the gathering of Israel, the second one is about the Book of Mormon with the stick of Ephraim being brought forth.

Then the last one is again about the gathering of Israel

21-28 It continues with the theme of the gathering of Israel.
"… and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; … And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant .."

Remember Jacob’s promised land was greater than his father’s blessing and was to be found in the utmost bounds of the everlasting hills. He uses David as an idiom for Jesus who was his descendant, he will be their King. " and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

In Jer 31 there is a prophecy directed at Ephraim;

6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God....
8 Behold, I will bring them from the north .... a great company shall return thither..... for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn....

Ephraim will assume the role as head of the house of Israel and will be the first to be gather in.

"Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. For the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he. Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the Lord."

We claim that The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is this gathering of Israel, it started with the gathering of Ephraim. The remnants of tribe of Ephraim can be found in all nations. We have the stick or tablets of Ephraim and have joined it to the Bible the stick of Judah. Ephraim's Zions will one day be built on this the American Continent.