What about Fuller Theological Seminary? What about the 700 Club? What about Rick Warren? What about Answers in Genesis? What about the Bible Answer Man? What about them?
indeed, what about them?
You simply brought up the name of an organization without making any point regarding them.
I already made my point. That there are certain organizations or people that take Marian devotion far past the point of "standard" Catholic practice. I'm not one of those people who think that Catholics are Mary worshippers, I do however believe that the organizations I've mentioned (and some individuals) take their "devotion" to Mary far past levels where it's really all about Christ anymore.
to blindly state that all devotion to Mary is for Christ's sake instead of Marys, is turning a blind eye to those who would pevert a good thing to a bad thing.
Remember that the accusation was not levelled that all Marian devotion is suspect, but to state it's ALL as it should be, is shortsighted and willfully ignorant.
SINS AGAINST MARY
Tradition, Family and Property, America Needs Fatima (and the Heralds of the Gospel) do very good work. If you are trying to impugn them somehow, you should at least say what you feel rather than just trying to infer something.
the work they do or do not do are irrelevant. I am not questioning at all if they have done good things.
The Virgin conquered the Muslim hordes at Lepanto, the Virgin toppled Communism, the Virgin destroyed liberation theology in Brazil and other countries,
and the Virgin, who is no longer among us on this earth (or plane, or however you want to say it) did these things how?
the Virgin continues to fight for us night and day, she crushed the serpent and continues to crush him until the end of time.
Christ crushed the serpent.
If you understand her, if you understand who she is, if you know her, then your assertion that she could ever be seen or act apart from Her Divine Son is impossible. You only say these things because you do not know her.
the "you can't understand because you don't believe" argument. Fairly standard.
Um... what else are Protestants? It's not like they just popped into existence one day completely unconnected to the rest of the Christian world. "Us modern day protestants" follow the spiritual patrimony of Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and all those men who left the Catholic Church to form their own religions in opposition to the Church and even in opposition to each other, since without the Church no one could agree on anything to believe in.
I've got news for you. There have been, and still are disagreements with the Catholic church. Disagreement isn't what sets us apart.
nor does agreement with our own sect define us as valid. We all tend to agree with ourselves. the point being made, is that my entire life has been independant of the Roman Catholic church. I did not rebel against something that never had any hold over me in the first place.
Isn't that the Protestant ideal?
for some, I'm sure. we are worlds apart though, so we're not going to find common ground to discuss. You firmly believe us non Catholics are in deep rebellion, that we're flouting the RC way, that we're rebels.
where at least for my part, the "division" couldn't be more irrelevant. I find it impossible to rebel against something that never had any place in my life in the first place!
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Non-denominationals are generally lumped as "Protestant" because it is one of the many little movements that resulted indirectly and is thought as being descended from the Reformation. It is a label for convenience sake if nothing else.
exactly, spot on. But then if our dear sister Pilgrim is to be believed, we spring from the womb with a sword in hand, ready to fight the tyrant from the Vatican. That we, in our faith, are beholden to the Catholic Church, and that we actively rebel against it.
I think it is just unacceptable to Pilgrim, and those who believe the same, that some of us would consider the Catholic Church as having no part of our lives in the first place. To them, it's either you follow allong, or your fighting against.
a strange thought indeed.
If you disagree, please point to which modern
extant branch you feel you belong to.
specific groups don't make much difference to me. theoretically baptist, as that would be my families lineage, but I've never considered myself as a baptist per se.
I think all of it is just a detraction, not an addition, to Christianity.