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A false sense of the sacredness of the Israelites exaggerated claims prevents the scriptures from being safeguarded by just a little common sense. Most of the OT books were finalized in Babylon, earlier secular history book mentioned in those books vanish. It doesn't surprise me at all that the same vain of men capable of rejecting the Gospel of the Son of Man and killing him could have produced a wildly exaggerated view of their place in the world.What is false is your invention of something you can't prove.
I do study the Bible, but I don't let that detract from my faith in the true Father revealed in the life of Christ. I let the spirit lead me to extrapolate the spiritual truths without the need to warp my God given sense of justice and logic with apologetics in defense of the false doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture.Be specific. There are no errors. If you see some, it is based on your lack of understanding the Bible. Evidently you read the Bible. Do you study it? Do you ask God to give you understanding? If you don't you will never understand he Bible and what you don't understand may lead you to think there are errors.
Its intellectually honest man who approaches the scripture sincerely and can soon see that those who created the scripture didn't think through their claims very well. Then come the snake oil salesmen who pound round pegs into square holes through the mental gymnastics of apologetics, over and over and over, to the point that people must betray their own senses in agreement. The priest class creates the dichotomy wherein faith in the Bible equals faith in God, to question the Bible is to question God. The same holy men who wrote the scripture books invented a hell place for people who aren't buying their version of history to burn for an eternity by this ISIS like God that they largely invented in their own image.All the parts of the Bible are true. You are right, only God is infallible, not man and it is man, unbelieving man, who makes up the list of what they believe is contradictions in the Bible.
The natural man, the unbeliever, can't understand the Bible (I Cor 2:14) They see errors because they are Biblically ignorant.
If any of the natural men want to post t heir favorite ones, I will address them,
I do study the Bible, but I don't let that detract from my faith in the true Father revealed in the life of Christ. I let the spirit lead me to extrapolate the spiritual truths without the need to warp my God given sense of justice and logic with apologetics in defense of the false doctrine of the inspiration of the scripture.[QUOTE/]
The Bible says "all Scripture is inspired by God." Evidently you think you are more intune with God than Paul was. You have made a statement so it is time for you to back it up or admit you can't.
You dislike apologics because you cant defend what you believe.
Most bible worshipers make the claim that there are no errors, that one has to just read it right when in reality you are just listening to your own excuse making and blatantly ignoring inconsistent particulates within the scripture.[QUOTE/]
To say some Christians worship the Bible is an ignorant statement and another statement you can't prove. I challenge you to post your favorite Bible inconsistency and I will show you it comes from your ignorance of the Bible and from what you consider logical, and many more intelligent than you are, do not.
The church derives its authority to control the thinking of the masses by brainwashing congregants into an uneasy belief that what their priestly ancestors wrote came directly from God. In fact if you asked any congregation and if they were individually honest, they would confess that they don't believe some of the more ridiculous claims of the Israelites such as Noah's ark, child rape, sticks to snakes, parting seas etc. Yet, they have faith, because faith transcends the imperfect claims of the holy men.
What you say is only partially true. It is not true in conservative, Bible believing denominations.
You have a liberal, non-Biblical theology. To you it doesn't matter what God says, you are more omniscient than He is. How sad.
Its intellectually honest man who approaches the scripture sincerely and can soon see that those who created the scripture didn't think through their claims very well. Then come the snake oil salesmen who pound round pegs into square holes through the mental gymnastics of apologetics, over and over and over, to the point that people must betray their own senses in agreement. The priest class creates the dichotomy wherein faith in the Bible equals faith in God, to question the Bible is to question God. The same holy men who wrote the scripture books invented a hell place for people who aren't buying their version of history to burn for an eternity by this ISIS like God that they largely invented in their own image.
I have already found God, I seek spiritual truth in its many manifestations.You advertise yourself a "seeker of God." I believe you are sincere, but you are on the wrong road. You will never find God thinking you can determine which verses in the Bible are true and which ones are not.
So I will challenge you again to post what you consider an inconsistency and maybe I can show you why it is not.
I have already found God, I seek spiritual truth in its many manifestations.[QUOTE/]
That's wonderful. You seem to question that all of the "Bible is God's inspired word. So where will you find thees manifestations of spiritual truth. How will you know they are from God?
[QUOTE[I believe that you are sincere as well and have been thoroughly induced with the belief that God wrote the books that the holy men wrote.[QUOTE/]
I am glad you recognize it is only what you believe, because it is the wrong impression.
First of all when I was converted, and it happened after I had decided never to go to church again, things happened in my life that was contrary to what had been my way of life for 45 years. Even being converted at age 445 is unusual.
I was not induced to believe what I believe. I was told that but I did my own study and made up my own mind. Basically because there are concepts in the Bible that you find in no other religion---love your enemy and do goo to those who hate you.
There are also concepts beyond man's intellet. My favorite play on words in the Bible is "although He was rich, yet for our sake He became poor, so that by His poverty were were made rich."
To save you life you must lose it.
To become strong you must become weak.
There are many more such sayings.
Therefore, to question the book is to question God himself. So you are left to betray your own sensibilities and intuition, gifts from God that they have also convinced you are unreliable tools to question the claims of the priest class with.It is never a matter of questioning God. It is a matter of where else can i find the truth. Man, and especially my sensibilities and intuition, are very unreliable sources to find truth.
What is the reason God gave for the Sabbath, written on his behalf?
The Sabbath was not written on His behalf.
The Sabbath is only a shadow of the good things to come, but the substance belongs o Christ(Col 2:16-17).
The Sabbath is to remind us of who sanctified us(Ex 31:13). It is to remind us of who set us free from false religions, the gods of Egypt, the gods of the world(Deut 5:15)
We are not to work for those things God has already provided us in our spiritual life
WE keep it holy by remembering those things and thanking and praising God for doing them for us.
A false sense of the sacredness of the Israelites exaggerated claims prevents the scriptures from being safeguarded by just a little common sense. Most of the OT books were finalized in Babylon, earlier secular history book mentioned in those books vanish. It doesn't surprise me at all that the same vain of men capable of rejecting the Gospel of the Son of Man and killing him could have produced a wildly exaggerated view of their place in the world.
In the original Ten Commandments, the reason given for the Sabbath was the 6 day creation. But considering that humans wrote the Bible books, they reflect the evolution of human thought. Judaism evolved after the agreement that Abram made.
Exodus 20:11
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
When the Ten Commandments were rewritten later the reason given for keeping the Sabbath is the Exodus, not the 6 day creation:
2 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
There are other areas of the scripture that evolve as the beliefs of the creators of the scripture evolved.
Again the anger of the Lord was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” (2 Samuel 24:1)
200 years later the same story was rewritten and changed as beliefs changed:
The Bible is human, it reflects human speculation and conjecture about the doings of God.
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. (1 Chronicles 21:1)
God didn't give Abram the 10 commandments, it was Moses! You don't even know the Bible that you claim God wrote, so I'm not surprised that you are now running away. I provided evidence but you just ignore and ask for more.Its amusing but sad that those with a liberal theology make dogmatic statements but never provide he evidence to support them.
You don't even understand the verses you quote. Ex 20:11 is not a agreement Abraham made, It is God giving him the 10 commandments and that certainly wasn't the origin of Judaism.
I see no benefit in continuing a discussion of your OPINIONS. I will b e happy o discuss any claim you make with suppo9rting evidence.
You say the Bible is human. present your evidence. I doubt if you will return to this discussion because you have no evidence, so have a + day.
God didn't give Abram the 10 commandments, it was Moses! You don't even know the Bible that you claim God wrote, so I'm not surprised that you are now running away. I provided evidence but you just ignore and ask for more.[QUOTE/]
If you want to quibble, that is fine with me. God did not give the 10 commandment to Abraham. He was dead by then.
Abrams religion was that of his father from beyond the rivers before the covenant. Jashua 24:2[QUOTE/]
Congratulations, you did get something right.
Trust God, the Bible is human, take the truth and leave the rest.
IOW you have no evidence to support your OPINIONS. How do you determine what is true and what is not in the Bible. Let me take a shot. If you agree with it , it is from God. If you disagree it can't be from God. Typical liberal theology. l How sad.
I'm currently ambiguous on how the interpretation of Gen. 1 ought to be interpreted. My church leans more towards young earth creationism, but I am having trouble believing certain aspects of it as I also do with Old Earth Creationism.
I'm looking for theological answers not so much scientific ones. This isn't hostile at all, I just want to understand you guys better.
I just wanted to ask some of my most heavy questions:
1. I understand with the day age theory, each "day" supposedly represents an age, and that the word "yom" has multiple meanings. My trouble comes when it says "there was evening and there was the morning: the first day/day one." It seems like the author is defining the word yom as some sort of daylight cycle. How would a day age theorist handle this?
2. Death before sin, and probably disease before sin. How can it be that misery could have existed before Adam and Eve sinned?
3. What do you believe about the Flood? Do you believe it was a universal Flood? Or do you believe it was a local Flood, and how can you justify it Scripturally?
With the mountains being covered in water. I think it's date to say a global flood. And the flood lasted about a year.@TurtleHugger
I'll respond to 1 & 3 because I think I can say something unique about it.
1. Moden Biblical Scholarship has started to see Genesis 1 as a heptadic liturgical hymn related to temple building, in particular ANE practices and the 7 day building of the tabernacle. So in the form of liturgy it makes sense to have a day like structure to complete the week. (That is not to say the book has nothing to say about creation, but rather that the structure uses contextual themes that we need to be aware of. I encourage people not to diminish the book simply because of it's liturgical format.) (pdf journal reference)
3. There are no certain qualifiers in Genesis to suggest the extent of the flood. The whole earth is a relative statement and the heights of the waters is tied to a word with broad meaning. This does not remove global devestation though as the surrounding ANE flood text include hurricanes, fire ( maybe lightning), plague, and earthquakes, and it may have all happened over a long period of time. At the end of the lesser dryas there is evidence of large local flooding in inhabited parts of the globe. It's probably less controversial to view it as global catastrophe of various types rather than all land being under water.
With the mountains being covered in water. I think it's date to say a global flood. And the flood lasted about a year.
Yea, that possibility has been explored by a number of good solid evangelicals who concluded a local flood. I don't think so and the prophecies predicting the new heavens and new earth after the very elements are melted with a fervent heat indicate the dimensions of the wrath of God are global in scope, I dont pretend to be able to prove conclusively what I take on faith but like Martain Luther said, my heart is captive to the Scriptures. They speak distictly, authoritatively and definitively to the issue of the global nature of the deluge. There are still some of us who say, that is enough.As I understand it the word can mean hill or mountain
Jesus was Liberal, that's why the religious hated him in Israel.
The God revealed in the life of Jesus can be trusted.
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