Theodice! Goround!

[Lillen]

The theodice problem is set up in following manners: "How can God be almighty and good when there is so much suffering in the world?"

The truth is that God punish wickedness, and do juctice for the poor and afflicted. Those afflicting the poor will recive a punishment. So In other words God do not allow suffering and oppression of the poor - he punish it!!

 

[Lord Emsworth]

The theodice problem is set up in following manners: "How can God be almighty and good when there is so much suffering in the world?"

The truth is that God punish wickedness, and do juctice for the poor and afflicted. Those afflicting the poor will recive a punishment. So In other words God do not allow suffering and oppression of the poor - he punish it!!

I don't know ... I always thought that every person, no matter how wicked et al, can easily be forgiven by, you know, accepting Christ's sacrifice and so on. Does not sound like punishment to me. You mileage may vary, I guess.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The theodice problem is set up in following manners: "How can God be almighty and good when there is so much suffering in the world?"

The truth is that God punish wickedness, and do juctice for the poor and afflicted. Those afflicting the poor will recive a punishment. So In other words God do not allow suffering and oppression of the poor - he punish it!!

Which would be lovely - if it actually worked. Sadly, God doesn't punish suffering and oppression - he allows it.

Where was God when the Jews were being oppressed and slaughtered in the millions?
Where is God when people are praying for their suffering, and for the suffering of their loved ones, to be eased?
Where was God when the tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, and volcanoes, hit defenceless settlements?

 

[UnReAL13]

The theodice problem is set up in following manners: "How can God be almighty and good when there is so much suffering in the world?"

The truth is that God punish wickedness, and do juctice for the poor and afflicted. Those afflicting the poor will recive a punishment. So In other words God do not allow suffering and oppression of the poor - he punish it!!

Tell this to a starving African child who prays to your "god" every day.

 

[jayem]

Maybe you can visit the oncology floor of any children's hospital, and talk to the parents. I'm sure they'd like to know why their 4, or 5, or 6 year-olds are suffering with leukemia, and bone cancers, and brain tumors.

 

[variant]

If suffering is punishment for wickedness then explain how it is that rich people suffer significantly less.

 

[keith99]

I consider myself fairly well read when it comes to Scripture.

But I simply cannot remember where it says God is all powerful in any form, let alone in hte form that he can create both an immovable object and an irrestable force.

I do recall he tells the Jews he is the God that brought them out of bondage in Egypt.

Being one powerful is not being all powerful.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I consider myself fairly well read when it comes to Scripture.

But I simply cannot remember where it says God is all powerful in any form, let alone in hte form that he can create both an immovable object and an irrestable force.

I do recall he tells the Jews he is the God that brought them out of bondage in Egypt.

Being one powerful is not being all powerful.

If God is incapable of assisting, why call him God?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Maybe the punishment is yet to come.

 

[Eudaimonist]

The truth is that God punish wickedness, and do juctice for the poor and afflicted. Those afflicting the poor will recive a punishment. So In other words God do not allow suffering and oppression of the poor - he punish it!!

So, what happens to people who don't afflict the poor, but aren't Christian? Do they get to go to heaven?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[quatona]

The theodice problem is set up in following manners: "How can God be almighty and good when there is so much suffering in the world?"

The truth is that God punish wickedness, and do juctice for the poor and afflicted. Those afflicting the poor will recive a punishment. So In other words God do not allow suffering and oppression of the poor - he punish it!!

When will they receive this punishment?
And won´t the punishment cause them suffering, as well?

 

[keith99]

If God is incapable of assisting, why call him God?

If Thor is not all powerful why call him a god?

Hail Odin!

 

[GrowingSmaller]

So, what happens to people who don't afflict the poor, but aren't Christian? Do they get to go to heaven?


eudaimonia,

Mark

The answer I have been given is that there is the central Church of people baptised into the Christian faith, and then the extended or peripheral church of people who listen to the promptings of their conscience, which is something like the voice of God speaking from behind a veil. In this sense, the assertion "there is no salvation outside the church" is a lot less exclusive insofar as it can apply to peoples of other faiths, or 'lack' of faith, too.

 

[UnReAL13]

If Thor is not all powerful why call him a god?

Hail Odin!

Co~Sign. The term "god" is thrown around rather presumptuously. I prefer to use "deity" as it sounds a bit colder and less amplifying.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Co~Sign. The term "god" is thrown around rather presumptuously. I prefer to use "deity" as it sounds a bit colder and less amplifying.

Someone on here got really up themselves when I used the term 'gods'; they said that, because they were a monotheist, I should use the term 'God' instead of 'gods'.
Some people are so...

 

[UnReAL13]

Someone on here got really up themselves when I used the term 'gods'; they said that, because they were a monotheist, I should use the term 'God' instead of 'gods'.
Some people are so...

Yes, the Christians are under the impression that the term should be localized to their religion. I've even heard people say that all of the "gods" from other religions are actually the same overall "God" that they identify as their "godhead". Which skews the perspective of "polytheism" vs. "monotheism" even further.

It gets frustrating when they become so adamant as to why they feel they "own" the term and concept.

 

[quatona]

Yes, the Christians are under the impression that the term should be localized to their religion. I've even heard people say that all of the "gods" from other religions are actually the same overall "God" that they identify as their "godhead". Which skews the perspective of "polytheism" vs. "monotheism" even further.

It gets frustrating when they become so adamant as to why they feel they "own" the term and concept.

...but since there´s a dictionary entry for "god" you should know what everyone means when saying "god".

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes, the Christians are under the impression that the term should be localized to their religion. I've even heard people say that all of the "gods" from other religions are actually the same overall "God" that they identify as their "godhead". Which skews the perspective of "polytheism" vs. "monotheism" even further.

It gets frustrating when they become so adamant as to why they feel they "own" the term and concept.

That reminds me of the 'monotheism' of Christianity: three entities, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, all separate and distinct and explicitly not the same entity... yet, arbitrarily, there's just one God.
At least the Catholic Church acknowledges this paradox, instead of coming up with things about water and clovers...

 

[GrowingSmaller]

...but since there´s a dictionary entry for "god" you should know what everyone means when saying "god".

That might be to take things to one extreme, but persistently denying and negating, as an apparent matter of course, all afforts to explain is the other. And it is more extreme than the first option, which at least makes an educated and civilised effort to engage.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

all afforts to explain is the other.

How do you explain a baptist who doesn't know his basic doctrine?