The World Loves Better

[netwindscritic]

Its true. As much as I really hate to say it. I love Jesus with all my heart. And I do my best to love those around me. But everywhere I go, I find more love in non-believers than I do in believers. Why is it that the church has abandoned the concept of love? The protests at Heath Ledgers' funeral, protesters in front of abortion clinics, etc. How have we come to the point that people can see that as something that would be acceptible behavior for someone striving to be like Christ? What can we do to change it? It really saddens me because we're supposed to be the example of love in the world, not the other way around.

People in the world genuinely care about when people are hurting. Most of the time within the Church, people just pretend to care (a "stainglass masquerade"). People in the world are real, people of the church tend to be fake.

And I'm not trying to steriotype either group because I know that there are haters in the world and lovers in the Church. But over all, more and more I notice that the world loves better....

If anyone can contradict me on this, please do!
If anyone has any observations of their own on it, I'd love to hear them...

Peace

 

[capnator]

If anyone can contradict me on this, please do!
If anyone has any observations of their own on it, I'd love to hear them...

Peace

Anyone can say they are a christian. If you don't see Christ evidenced in someone then mabye it's cause he just isn't there. However don't go around examining the lives of others, but rather have Jesus Christ living in you. Always build up others and point them to Jesus who is Lord above all!

If you base your faith on people you will be dissapointed.

 

[netwindscritic]

Hmm. Well, I'm not basing my faith off of how other people act. Just observing it. I suppose some background is in order. I was homeschooled my whole life. And, while I wasn't horribly sheltered, I still was a little bit. And through my teen years as I slowly gained more and more insight into the real world, it was just one of the things I noticed. They love better.

I wish it wasn't that way... and I'm going to work on myself so that I can be the best representative of Christ's love that I can. But I just wish that more people who claim to follow Him could see what I see right now.

 

[kisstheson]

There is good and bad people in both the christian and secular world. You don't think there's gossiping, back biting, jealousy, competition, pettiness, predjudice, betrayal etc. in the world? right now you may me seeing secular people with their best foot forward but all of us saved or not have a basic problem, pride and ego. There's not one perfect person on this world and sooner or later someone is going to disappoint you, be they christian or not. If you think the world loves better than christians you are in for one rude awakening. I guess you have been sheltered. Its best to keep you eyes on Jesus, the only perfect Person.

 

[Elijah2]

Hi NWC,

Its true. As much as I really hate to say it. I love Jesus with all my heart. And I do my best to love those around me. But everywhere I go, I find more love in non-believers than I do in believers. Why is it that the church has abandoned the concept of love?
The Church hasn't lost the concept, they have lost the MESSAGE.

The leaders of the churches within the Body of Christ are led by wolves who masquerade in sheep's clothing.

I would say that only 20% of the Christian world are who they say they are.

Sad as it is, there are more false Christians than true-blue Christian.

Now you may say, what right have I to say that. Well, I test all the spirits, and there are a lot of nice people in churches who do good works, and go to church on Sunday, and then there are those who go to church to save face, and the others go to church to impress, and then the last of them go to church to praise and worship our Lord Jesus Christ from their heart.

Now there are six levels of Christians that come from two levels of heart soil.

The first three come from a poor heart soil and are fed milk only and a watered-down version of His Word. They are those wayside, stony, and thorny Christians who are half-hearted, lukewarm, and shallow minded, and have no knowledge or understanding of His Word or of love and forgiveness of our Lord Jesus CHrist.

The good heart soil are those 30-fold, 60-fold, and 100-fold, you struggle but are dedicated to HIS service and work actively in HIS Lordship. They don't reach perfection but they can say honestly that our Lord Jesus Christ is their Saviour, Master, Lord of Lord and King of Kings.

They arethat are well described in the Parable of the Sower and Weeds.

The protests at Heath Ledgers' funeral, protesters in front of abortion clinics, etc. How have we come to the point that people can see that as something that would be acceptible behavior for someone striving to be like Christ? What can we do to change it? It really saddens me because we're supposed to be the example of love in the world, not the other way around.
Yes, it saddens a lot of people, but our focus is HIM not them.

People in the world genuinely care about when people are hurting. Most of the time within the Church, people just pretend to care (a "stainglass masquerade"). People in the world are real, people of the church tend to be fake.
Don't throw them away, because those who are real people are possibly struggling with a lot of spiritual problems.
And I'm not trying to steriotype either group because I know that there are haters in the world and lovers in the Church. But over all, more and more I notice that the world loves better....
You just need to worry about yourself and keep walking in obedience and discipline with HIM, and let HIM handle them.
If anyone can contradict me on this, please do!
If anyone has any observations of their own on it, I'd love to hear them...
Nobody would want to contradict you, because this is well described in His Word.

Take care, and keep loving and forgiving and bless those who curse you or offend you.

Forgive them as our Lord said, they know not what they are doing.
Love in Christ

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

and then theres the 200% of Song of Solomon 8:12

 

[netwindscritic]

thanks Elijah. i think what i was saying was quite mis-interpreted, though, by alot of yall. which is ok, i'll try to clear it up. i'm not really struggling with my faith in this area. just stating something i've observed and wanted to see if others had observed this too.

i absolutely try to love everyone! granted its difficult sometimes, but with His help, i do my best. and i'm definitely not tryng to judge people's "level" of love individually... just as a whole, i've found more love in the world lately than in the church. again, just pointing out something that i've observed lately. i know there's good and bad in both... but just overall...

anyway, hopefully that clears up what i was saying a little bit? i hope.

peace.

 

[kisstheson]

Again if you think secular people are kinder and gentler you are in for a rude awakening. My young idealist, listen to this old hippie who attended a peace march and believed many had good. pure motives. Question is do you really want to know what I observed both in the world and in the church having lived in both?

You think the world is still going to love you when you tell them to their face that you disagree with certain lifestyles, sin, beliefs etc. You think they will keep smiling at you and patting your back?

Sure if your going to hold hands with everyone and sing "we are the world" all will be fine.

Do you believe in tough love? Do you think its ever right to confront someone when you disagree? That's love too.

Personally I think you are believing a lie are being swept along by the propagandists who teach that christisns are evil, intolerant, uncaring people.

Am I wrong? Please let me know.

 

[netwindscritic]

hmm... perhaps you're partially right. i guess i don't expect the world to love me. i suppose its more that they take care of the hurting better. they care for those in need better than we do.

you do make a good point, though. i suppose they don't love in every way better.

i am completely ok with not being loved because of my beliefs and standards. i know that people won't accept those and they could persecute me for them. and that's ok, as long as i'm still loving them back. i suppose its just sad that they can reach out to those who need love the most better than we can. most of the time.

 

[kisstheson]

"i am completely ok with not being loved because of my beliefs and standards. i know that people won't accept those and they could persecute me for them. and that's ok, as long as i'm still loving them back. i suppose its just sad that they can reach out to those who need love the most better than we can. most of the time."

You have a good attitude and this is very Christ like behavior towards nons. I applaud that and hope you never lose your sweet,caring, loving spirit. But I still think you're wearing rose colored glasses when you think the world cares for the hurting more the then the church. yes, if your looking at indiviuals, sure their are christians that could be more compassionate but the world as a whole being more compassionate? Sorry but you said you were home schooled and didn't experience much of the world until recently. Also I think you're a young person who hasn't tasted the hard cruelness of what's on the "other side."

Here's a few examples: When I was 15 I stood between my brother-in-law and cousin because my sister was a victim of spousel abuse and my cousin was ready shoot her husband with a shut gun. I also have seen many wordly people who are very sympathic and compassionate the one thay are being nice to to get drunk and high and drown their sorrows. I know guys that are very sweet and understanding while all the while they want to get in your pants. i seen worldly people be very nice to ones face and then stab you in the back and spread gossip.

Shall I continue?

Does gossip exist in the church? Yes. Are people judgemental? certainly. But we have the cure...Jesus and the world does not. Remember God is not finished with his church yet. We are a work in progess. Did you EVER gossip? Did you EVER look down on anyone? Since you are human I'm sure you have at least once. Do you understand my point? God is at work in the believer to make he/she more like Jesus. this takes awhile.

Where as outwardly the smiles and sympathetic looks are there "in the world" people are still sinners like the rest of us and dead without Christ.

It's time to take a look at the real world. things are not better out there. A lot of people struggle and put up a front. This old peace and love hippie knows. To think otherwise is a lie from satan. Satan been whispering in your ear. "Look how insensitive these christians are. They should learn from that group over there. They are much more compassionate." satan's playin' ya girl. Wake up and smell the coffee, says Amy from New York.

"People in the world are real, people of the church tend to be fake."

This statements is a crock, if you know what I mean. Let me know when the truth hits you because it gonna hurt. People in the church need healing that's why they tend to be fake because they are learning how to trust others. Jesus is working on us.

 

[netwindscritic]

kisstheson,
i think i might have just got hit in the face with how wrong i was. though it wasn't in the way you were thinking. just in the past few days, i've realized how incredibly the body of Christ loves each other. i'm going to explain, just so that you can understand (and also, hopefully pray). my little brother (he's 8) has been really sick for the better part of 2 weeks. my mom took him to the doctor yesterday and he got transfered to a local childrens hospital for tests. they ran a CAT scan and found a growth on his brain. they did an MRI this morning and are operating to remove it tomorrow. but through this whole thing, my church and even brothers and sisters in Christ whom i've never met before are partnering with us in prayer and offering support in ways i couldn't imagine.

so, you were right. the body of Christ does love incredibly. there are, obviously, many other things i'm learning through this whole process. but that was one of the first things i thought about.

also, if you could keep us in your prayers, it would be appreciated. thanks.

peace.

 

[kisstheson]

I'm glad to hear that Jesus is using His friends to reach out to you and your family during this difficult time. In our church we recently had a sister go through a terrible time, was in the hospital etc and the church really pulled together for her and the family through prayer and many other practical ways. Praise to Jesus that all her tests came back negative! She's doing much better.

I pray the same for your precious brother. I pray the Father will place him deep in His loving heart.

Peace and love.

 

[Shulamite]

Your little brother is so precious to Yeshua. I will be praying for him. My youngest son is only a little older than your brother and I can only imagine the feelings that are going through your mother (and you) right now.

Yes, the body of Yeshua will pull together to help and pray, even those you don't know personally.
The scripture says, "When one part of the body suffers, all parts suffer with it."

Thankyou for sharing.

 

[JPPT1974]

kisstheson,
i think i might have just got hit in the face with how wrong i was. though it wasn't in the way you were thinking. just in the past few days, i've realized how incredibly the body of Christ loves each other. i'm going to explain, just so that you can understand (and also, hopefully pray). my little brother (he's 8) has been really sick for the better part of 2 weeks. my mom took him to the doctor yesterday and he got transfered to a local childrens hospital for tests. they ran a CAT scan and found a growth on his brain. they did an MRI this morning and are operating to remove it tomorrow. but through this whole thing, my church and even brothers and sisters in Christ whom i've never met before are partnering with us in prayer and offering support in ways i couldn't imagine.

so, you were right. the body of Christ does love incredibly. there are, obviously, many other things i'm learning through this whole process. but that was one of the first things i thought about.

also, if you could keep us in your prayers, it would be appreciated. thanks.

peace.

Praying for your brother and
For your family as remember
God is the Great Physician
He will provide for you all
Physically, spiritually, and emotionally.

 

[netwindscritic]

thanks for your prayers everyone!

the doctors were able to remove all of the tumor. it was completely benign and the lowest level tumor possible (praise God!). he's in recovery right now and there's a possibility he could come home on Sunday (what a great way to celebrate Easter!)

thanks again!

 

[Shulamite]

What wonderful news! Thankyou, Lord!

 

[kisstheson]

AWESOME!