The Word

[jsimms615]

I have been thinking about what John the apostle meant and why he would be the one disciple who would refer to Jesus as the "Word" logos. He does it in the 1st chapter of John and then again in 1 John 1:1.

Any thoughts on why John specifically would do this and not Mark or Matthew?

 

[Beasley]

Each of the Gospel writers is addressing a different aspect of Christ. Matthew covers his Kingship and Messiahship. Mark, his work, Luke, the son of Man, a title, with his lineage back to Adam, but John writes on his Deity.

 

[Cribstyl]

Out of nothing came a voice from the creator.."Let there be light" In that instant of time, Christ came forth from the father to create all things as the father spoke it into into existence. Christ is the tangeable image of the invisible God. "He is the one true God"Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. The Son had no beginning because He came forth from being one with the father.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

So when John said "In the beginning was the word."
His saying that once the mind of the father decided to create, out of His breathe came THE WORD, to carry out everything that was made. That word was the Son, and that "breathe" was the Holy Spirit. Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Hbr 11:3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The invisible Father spoke outside of time and His words began time, So in the beginning was the word. His word was God the Son in that He came forth (not created) from the father as one with the father.
Christ existence in time made Him THE SON.

THE SON alway submitts to the Father from the beginning of time He came forth, but is the selfsame God that the father is.



So the bottom line is this truth.....There is
One God,
The father, of whom we are ceated,
The Son, by whom , we are created,
The Holy Spirit, through whom we are created (wont speak of Himself)
1Cr 8:6But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.




Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.




I'm not mad, I'm I?



God Bless
CRIB

 

[Beasley]

Cribstyl....appreciated your post.

 

[Zeena]

Out of nothing came a voice from the creator.."Let there be light" In that instant of time, Christ came forth from the father to create all things as the father spoke it into into existence. Christ is the tangeable image of the invisible God. "He is the one true God"Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. The Son had no beginning because He came forth from being one with the father.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

So when John said "In the beginning was the word."
His saying that once the mind of the father decided to create, out of His breathe came THE WORD, to carry out everything that was made. That word was the Son, and that "breathe" was the Holy Spirit. Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Hbr 11:3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The invisible Father spoke outside of time and His words began time, So in the beginning was the word. His word was God the Son in that He came forth (not created) from the father as one with the father.
Christ existence in time made Him THE SON.

THE SON alway submitts to the Father from the beginning of time He came forth, but is the selfsame God that the father is.



So the bottom line is this truth.....There is
One God,
The father, of whom we are ceated,
The Son, by whom , we are created,
The Holy Spirit, through whom we are created (wont speak of Himself)
1Cr 8:6But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.




Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.




I'm not mad, I'm I?



God Bless
CRIB

Pretty much-hehe

Jesus always WAS Jesus, He was ALWAYS in the bossom of the Father, even whilst creating :XD

It says in the Scripture 'the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God'.. Never does Scripture imply Jesus came FROM the Father , but rather, that He is the Father! :XD

They are not twain, but One! :XD

 

[Cribstyl]

Pretty much-hehe

Jesus always WAS Jesus, He was ALWAYS in the bossom of the Father, even whilst creating :XD

It says in the Scripture 'the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God'.. Never does Scripture imply Jesus came FROM the Father , but rather, that He is the Father! :XD

They are not twain, but One! :XD

Thanks,

how do you understand these text then player?

Jhn 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Jhn 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.




..............................................

But dont forget your math when the Son is praying to the father and the Holy Spirit falls on the Son.

That's one of many instances where our socalled TRINITY is biblical based.

Peace
CRIB

 

[jsimms615]

Pretty much-hehe

Jesus always WAS Jesus, He was ALWAYS in the bossom of the Father, even whilst creating :XD

It says in the Scripture 'the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God'.. Never does Scripture imply Jesus came FROM the Father , but rather, that He is the Father! :XD

They are not twain, but One! :XD

This is a little off topic from what I started, but if Jesus were the Father then who was he praying to all those years in the garden and in other places? Do you think he was just talking to himself?
Jesus is one with the Father, but they are also separate persons.

 

[Zeena]

This is a little off topic from what I started, but if Jesus were the Father then who was he praying to all those years in the garden and in other places? Do you think he was just talking to himself?
Jesus is one with the Father, but they are also separate persons.

The same reason He did anything in public, for men to see!

John 12:30
Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes

2 Corinthians 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich

1 Peter 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

[Zeena]

Thanks,

how do you understand these text then player?

Jhn 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Jhn 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

I don't mean to disuade your question, but I thought it answered sufficiently in Isaiah 9:6, quoted in the reply above..

Are you saying that Jesus is not the Father?

 

[Latreia]

This is a little off topic from what I started, but if Jesus were the Father then who was he praying to all those years in the garden and in other places? Do you think he was just talking to himself?
Jesus is one with the Father, but they are also separate persons.

Hope I am not intruding. Jesus was God made manifest in the flesh; as such experiencing the suffering in the flesh. As both, His Son spoke to the Father knowing what His flesh was about to suffer, the agony that man must.

Remember, the roads were all lined with the utltimate barbaric punishment that Romans could devise and meant to push the lessons of disobediance to Rome.

The bodies were usually left to rot, falling to the ground in pieces. Jesus performed the miracles that gave others release from pain and agony. I believe that He felt that glory through His earthly body.

When I see films of the Passion of Christ and the agonies all too real in the flesh, I am seeing all the victims, all the human beings that were sacrificed for nothing.

Imagine the sickening lethargy and depth of degradation of the oppressed then. There was nothing to see of hope, the Temple were not for the lowly and suffering who were not allowed because they were poor and unclean.

For three years, Christ walked among them, giving them the Light and the spirit. When, He, also was taken and made another criminal, just like the others, and then crucified on another cross. That should be the end?

Consider this from a lecture:

"John 1:1 begins with the statement, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God.' The English translation is a little
misleading.

The original Greek has wider implications. It runs, 'En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.'

The key words here are 'arche' and 'logos' which suggest in this context at least not so much 'beginning' and 'word,' as 'fundamental origin of things' and 'overarching order.'

The logos is, in short, something, or someone, not much different from the Platonic 'form of all forms.' And then comes an utterly un-Platonic statement. {As relates to the Greek translations which preserved the gospels for all mankind}

'The Word became flesh and dwelt among us'
as a human being."

And John 1:9-14 further states:

" That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The source of all creation, without beginning or end, became one of his beloved in the flesh. Think of the Love in that which, if we are in the Light, we must worship, moreover, we must live in exaltation for it.

Ah, forgive me...

 

[Cribstyl]

I don't mean to disuade your question, but I thought it answered sufficiently in Isaiah 9:6, quoted in the reply above..

Are you saying that Jesus is not the Father?

Reread the thread and repost what's not clear to you............IS THAT YOUR FINAL ANSWER?


CRIB

 

[jsimms615]

Hope I am not intruding. Jesus was God made manifest in the flesh; as such experiencing the suffering in the flesh. As both, His Son spoke to the Father knowing what His flesh was about to suffer, the agony that man must.

Remember, the roads were all lined with the utltimate barbaric punishment that Romans could devise and meant to push the lessons of disobediance to Rome.

The bodies were usually left to rot, falling to the ground in pieces. Jesus performed the miracles that gave others release from pain and agony. I believe that He felt that glory through His earthly body.

When I see films of the Passion of Christ and the agonies all too real in the flesh, I am seeing all the victims, all the human beings that were sacrificed for nothing.

Imagine the sickening lethargy and depth of degradation of the oppressed then. There was nothing to see of hope, the Temple were not for the lowly and suffering who were not allowed because they were poor and unclean.

For three years, Christ walked among them, giving them the Light and the spirit. When, He, also was taken and made another criminal, just like the others, and then crucified on another cross. That should be the end?

Consider this from a lecture:

"John 1:1 begins with the statement, 'In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God.' The English translation is a little
misleading.

The original Greek has wider implications. It runs, 'En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.'

The key words here are 'arche' and 'logos' which suggest in this context at least not so much 'beginning' and 'word,' as 'fundamental origin of things' and 'overarching order.'

The logos is, in short, something, or someone, not much different from the Platonic 'form of all forms.' And then comes an utterly un-Platonic statement. {As relates to the Greek translations which preserved the gospels for all mankind}

'The Word became flesh and dwelt among us'
as a human being."

And John 1:9-14 further states:

" That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The source of all creation, without beginning or end, became one of his beloved in the flesh. Think of the Love in that which, if we are in the Light, we must worship, moreover, we must live in exaltation for it.

Ah, forgive me...

I like what you had to say. It is consistent with the thought from Paul in Colossians 1:16 "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- all things have been created by Him and for Him."
I was also thinking about when Jesus refers to Himself in Revelations 1:8 as the "Alpha and Omega, who is and who was and who is to come."