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Before I comment I would like to point out that both sides have it tough when it comes to proof.
I'd also like to point out that people are bad-mouthing Americans and saying that they cannot 'pick out countries on maps,' etc.
But I think those people have never really traveled the world thoroughly and really discussed politics with people -- people are idiots everywhere, you meet stupid from every country and in every place; saying the Americans are exceptionally stupid is ridiculous.
But on with it:
What munitions? What mobile chemical trailers? Where are the weapons? What evidence do you have? Please link.
Iraqi trailer could have carried chemical and biological weapons lab.
It goes on:
"Tests of the trailer's surface areas have not detected biological agents and the vehicle appears to have been scrubbed with a caustic ammonia-like chemical, he said.
"It was pretty thoroughly washed," he said.
But it was similar in configuration and design to mobile biological agent laboratories that US intelligence learned about before the war from an Iraqi scientist, he said.
It had a fermenter, gas cylinders to supply clean air for production and a system to capture and compress exhaust gas to eliminate any telltale signature - a function not normally used for legitimate biological processes, Cambone said. "
The idea was that there really was a bio-chemical weapons lab that was mobile; it seems suspicious and very smart of Hussein.
There was a second mobile lab even found in Northern Iraq (Mosul), and authorities noted again "U.S. and British experts have concluded that the trailer "does not appear to perform any function beyond what the defector says it was for, which is the production of biological agents," Cambone said. " (This time from CNN)
It had to be declassified by Sen. Santorum apparently, but it finally came out that there was in fact some bio-chemical munitions in Iraq:
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist." (Fox)
The items were apparently degraded, but specific dates on these items were not provided and the chemical agents still could have posted lethal threats and converted into weapons use. When we are talking about deadly c hemicals, we should try not to mess around.
I enjoy how upon the discovery of these munitions it suddenly is claimed that these were 'the wrong munitions,' but regardless, I never thought there were some mysterious 'right munitions' that were described.
What are the right munitions and where were they described?
We do know that Iraq rebuilt chemical weapons factories that we suspect would add to his inventory after the 1998 inspections.
And if we want to talk about Syria, I have this to say:
It is interesting to research the notion of Iraq moving its' chemical weapons to Syria. I found a very interesting piece of information from 'Insight On The News':
Take a look at a clip from the Newsmax article:
It goes on to even note that there had been a history of the Russians supplying to the Iraqis valuable weapons:
Russia has been fundamental in supply:
It also reminds me of the time that I read Russia aided the Iraqi military by providing plans detailing the invasion.
I read another article from the Telegraph to see more substantiating the notion that the weapons may have moved to Syria and found this quotation from David Kay, the former head of the committee to find the WMDs in Iraq:
It is also interesting to note that there are others who harbor this theory, a lot of others, including the former Chief of the Israeli Defense Force from 2002 to 2005, General Yaalon in a NY Sun article.
But to be fair, even though it has been admitted that there has been weapons traffic across the borders, non-supporters point out:
Overall, I think there are more than strong reasons to believe that if one were to dig around enough in Syria you could get to the bottom of this, but I am certain that for years no one will ever get the chance.
Since Hussein could not win the war, he knew that he would need to make an attempt to win the more long term political battle through beridding himself of the risky elements to his regime that would have validated his overthrow. His only shot at saving face in the eyes of the political world would be to get rid of the weapons as best as he could, striking a very large political victory for himself.
His only victory could be political, and knowing en avance the pressure that he faced I wager he got rid of his weapons as soon as he possibly could have when the pressure was put upon him for the second time.
 

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Syria has been the prime suspect for the WMDs since the beginning of the war. With the weapons not present in Iraq, Syria is the only remaining place to look. I wonder why we haven't pressed harder to look there, aside from potential conflicts with Iran.
 
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nvxplorer said:
If the WMDs are in Syria, why have they not been used against Israel?


At this point, Syria is being careful. Granted, they are sending their suicide bombers into Iraq to mix in with the Iraqi resistance, but they know what would happen if they launched chemical weapons against Israel. It ain't a pretty picture, and I think the shock and awe of both the Israeli and U.S. would be shown in full force. If we unlease a blitzkrieg like Hitler did in WWII, the Middle East would be nothing but a parking lot.
 
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TheBear said:
Because Syria signed an armistice agreement with Israel in 1949?
I was thinking more along the lines of supplying Hezbollah with the weapons. Granted, there is no evidence of Syrian involvement in the current activity from Lebanon, but I can expand on the speculation in the OP.
 
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nvxplorer said:
I was thinking more along the lines of supplying Hezbollah with the weapons. Granted, there is no evidence of Syrian involvement in the current activity from Lebanon, but I can expand on the speculation in the OP.


If they're in Iraq, they're in Lebanon.
 
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KalEl76 said:
If they're in Iraq, they're in Lebanon.
Agreed, which is why I question why Hezbollah is launching unguided rockets without biological warheads. I also must question, if the reason for invading Iraq was based on WMD, and the weapons have been moved to Syria, why haven't we invaded Syria?
 
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nvxplorer said:
Agreed, which is why I question why Hezbollah is launching unguided rockets without biological warheads. I also must question, if the reason for invading Iraq was based on WMD, and the weapons have been moved to Syria, why haven't we invaded Syria?

Because the war was never about WMD's in the first place.
 
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nvxplorer said:
Agreed, which is why I question why Hezbollah is launching unguided rockets without biological warheads. I also must question, if the reason for invading Iraq was based on WMD, and the weapons have been moved to Syria, why haven't we invaded Syria?


The Syrians are smart enough not to do that. Only out of desperation would they do it, and with the US already in the Middle East it makes a strong deterrent. They couldn't withstand a full fledge assault from both Israel and the US.
 
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Sleeker said:
Wrong. Because we can't feasibly attack Syria at the moment.
Why not? We have plenty of cruise missles left in our arsenal, and an entire fleet to launch them from. Occupying the country may prove difficult, but according to the administration, these WMDs represent an imminent threat. Are we somehow safer with the weapons being in Syria than we were when they were in Iraq?
 
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Vylo said:
We can't feasibly attack Syria? A country with a population of 18 million? Yet we could attack Afghanistan and Iraq. Interesting.

The success we are having there makes you thing we can invade Syria? This is a new type of fight for our military, it's not one that we are world-class at, yet.
 
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He was going to forfeit them one way or the other. Sending them to Syria let him with the possibility of retrieving them later.
 
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I think many of you misunderstood what I said. I meant that at this point in time, we cannot feasibly attack Syria. We still have troops in Afghanistan. Many of our troops are bogged down in Iraq. We have three possible points where the crises could flare up that may involve our forces (Iran, North Korea, and the Israel-Lebanon crisis). Any missile attack against Syria's WMD's (assuming they have them, which is not my opinion) would inevitably provoke them to use any WMD's that we missed against us. Not only would that be bad, but Iran would likely retaliate with Syria, producing another theater of conflict. Many Iraqis and Afghanis would wonder if we're merely trying to take over the entire Middle East and there would be civil unrest that may lead to rebellion. The international outcry would be terrible. The outcry here in America would be terrible.

Like I said, we cannot feasibly attack Syria at the moment, unless you're into opening Pandora's Box.
 
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MachZer0 said:
He was going to forfeit them one way or the other. Sending them to Syria let him with the possibility of retrieving them later.
I see. Saddam is a WMD collector. He never intended on using them. He just likes having them around. What was the imminent threat again?
 
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Sounds like an argument against invading Iraq.

We didn't mind opening up Pandora's Box with regard to Iraq, so this argument fails.
 
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