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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
(Mark 12:41–44, Luke 21:1–4)
According to Wikipedia each of the coins (which was all she had) was worth about 6 minutes of an average daily wage. So it could be worth less than $5.
I was wondering if Christians would agree that it is a good thing for the widow to do... and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.
 
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“Shout for joy, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth in song and cry aloud, you who have never travailed; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband,” says the LORD.
 
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It was a good thing for her to do.

Jesus, while on earth, watched the offering plate and noticed who gave and how much. Then He remarked "For they all put in from their abundance, but she from her need has put in everything she had - all she had to live on.” (Mark 12:41-44).

He could then bless her according to "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it." Mal 3:10
 
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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
(Mark 12:41–44, Luke 21:1–4)
According to Wikipedia each of the coins (which was all she had) was worth about 6 minutes of an average daily wage. So it could be worth less than $5.
I was wondering if Christians would agree that it is a good thing for the widow to do... and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.

It was a act of faith on her part, which is good, but keep in mind that she put it into the temple treasury, part of which was supposed to be used to help people like her. In a sense, she was trusting that the system God had put in place would function as it was supposed to function. Apparently, that wasn't happening, which is why Jesus warns about the scribes who "devour window's houses." In a sense, this passage is more about the corruption of religious institutions than it is about her faith.
 
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I think there is an important detail that most people tend to miss: she had two coins and gave both.

You see, if she has had only 1 coin then it would've been a matter of "give it or keep it?", but having 2 coins she could have - from a human perspective more reasonably - said: "I will give 1 of these to the Lord, may he help me. And in case he doesn't - for whatever reason - I will still have the other coin".
But she didn't. She gave both.

This is uncompromising faith, and that is what made Jesus say that she has given more than anyone else. It is not the amount that matters in God's eyes, it's our faithfulness.
 
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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
(Mark 12:41–44, Luke 21:1–4)
According to Wikipedia each of the coins (which was all she had) was worth about 6 minutes of an average daily wage. So it could be worth less than $5.
I was wondering if Christians would agree that it is a good thing for the widow to do... and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.
My concern is that some of the prosperity preachers use this to encourage people to give in order to get and to give more to get more. She demonstrated absolute faith. God rewards faith, He does not reward greed.
 
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the woman giving all she had is in picture what Christ said about losing our life to find it, or in another place what he said to the rich young ruler ...
Your post made me look at this in a way I had not previously considered. She gave out of love, just as Jesus gave up His life out of love. It was in no way transactional. She was in effect sacrificing herself out of love.
 
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Your post made me look at this in a way I had not previously considered. She gave out of love, just as Jesus gave up His life out of love. It was in no way transactional. She was in effect sacrificing herself out of love.

yes ... she gave without measure ... which is to say, love does not seek the things of its own ...
 
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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
(Mark 12:41–44, Luke 21:1–4)
According to Wikipedia each of the coins (which was all she had) was worth about 6 minutes of an average daily wage. So it could be worth less than $5.
I was wondering if Christians would agree that it is a good thing for the widow to do... and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.
I think the story is about giving generously, something echoed elsewhere. Jesus' point is that those who are rich will (proportionally) give less than those who are poor and as someone who has collected for charity in the past I can vouch that in general those who are rich give less or the same as those who are poor.

So her willingness to give everything is commended, but if the Jewish society was functioning properly she would have been looked after by the Jewish community (widows and orphans). It may have been all she had financially but she would not starve or sleep on the streets.

There is a danger, however, in getting into the 'give-to-get' mindset of the health and wealth gospel. If you give, it should be because you can give and there is a need, not because you are expecting something in return (2 Corinthians 9:7)
 
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....There is a danger, however, in getting into the 'give-to-get' mindset of the health and wealth gospel. If you give, it should be because you can give and there is a need, not because you are expecting something in return (2 Corinthians 9:7)
Matthew 6:1-4 "....Then your giving will be done secretly. Your Father will reward you, because he sees what you do secretly."
The Bible seems to talk about rewards for giving (secretly) though it might involve rewards in Heaven....
 
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Matthew 6:1-4 "....Then your giving will be done secretly. Your Father will reward you, because he sees what you do secretly."
The Bible seems to talk about rewards for giving (secretly) though it might involve rewards in Heaven....
There, in particular, it is about the motivation for giving. If you are giving to be seen to be giving and generous then you are giving for the wrong reasons. You can follow that through with Ananias and Sapphire too.

The widow is giving everything she has to God, the counterpoint is the others who are giving as a duty and so they give what they think they can get away with.
 
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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
(Mark 12:41–44, Luke 21:1–4)
According to Wikipedia each of the coins (which was all she had) was worth about 6 minutes of an average daily wage. So it could be worth less than $5.
I was wondering if Christians would agree that it is a good thing for the widow to do... and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.
She was an aid in a lesson that the raw amount of what she gave didn't matter as much as how much of it proportionately that she gave, and the fact that she gave when she could more justifiably hold it back than the rich men who threw in large amounts.

Giving it was a good thing for her to do. There have been some over the years who abused this story to enrich themselves one way or another - that is awful to do.
 
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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
(Mark 12:41–44, Luke 21:1–4)
According to Wikipedia each of the coins (which was all she had) was worth about 6 minutes of an average daily wage. So it could be worth less than $5.
I was wondering if Christians would agree that it is a good thing for the widow to do... and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.

The question is, what was the money used for? God obviously doesn’t need any money
 
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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
(Mark 12:41–44, Luke 21:1–4)
According to Wikipedia each of the coins (which was all she had) was worth about 6 minutes of an average daily wage. So it could be worth less than $5.
I was wondering if Christians would agree that it is a good thing for the widow to do... and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.

Mark 12:41-44
41 And He sat down opposite the treasury, and began observing how the people were putting money into the treasury; and many rich people were putting in large sums.
42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amount to a cent.
43 Calling His disciples to Him, He said to them, "Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all the contributors to the treasury;
44 for they all put in out of their surplus, but she, out of her poverty, put in all she owned, all she had to live on."


Luke 21:1-4
1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury.
2 And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins.
3 And He said, "Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them;
4 for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on."


Did Jesus condemn or disparage in any way the "widow's mite"? No. He used her offering as a means of highlighting the false generosity of the rich who were giving "large sums" from a surplus rather than from need, pointing out that the widow had given more than any of them. Did Jesus cast aspersions on the widow's motives? No. Did he imply she was foolish in her giving? No. It seems to me Jesus would not have balked at being critical of the widow, as he was of the rich, if she, too, had been badly motivated in her giving.

Why did the widow give in a way that put her in dire need? We can only speculate. Jesus doesn't hold forth on her motives; he simply uses her offering as a contrast to the easy giving of the rich, challenging the impression the rich were hoping to give, I think, that their large sums were indicative of their piety. What claim to piety, to godly self-sacrifice, can be made in charitable giving that essentially costs one nothing?

Should Christians give after the example of the widow? Should they give their last bit of money to the Church or some Christian ministry? There is no such prescription issuing from the accounts. Jesus did not say, "Go and do likewise." Do we encounter in other places in the Bible, though, commands to Christians to give in this manner? Not exactly, no. There are, though, commendations of believers who give in a way that costs them acutely, and accounts of believers pooling their resources in support of one another, and explanations of the principles governing Christian giving. But there are no accompanying explicit commands to give after the manner of the widow.

Romans 12:13
13 Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.

2 Corinthians 8:1-4
1 Now, brethren, we wish to make known to you the grace of God which has been given in the churches of Macedonia,
2 that in a great ordeal of affliction their abundance of joy and their deep poverty overflowed in the wealth of their liberality.
3 For I testify that according to their ability, and beyond their ability, they gave of their own accord,
4 begging us with much urging for the favor of participation in the support of the saints,


2 Corinthians 9:6-11
6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.
9 As it is written, “He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor; his righteousness endures forever.”
10 He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.
11 You will be enriched in every way to be generous in every way, which through us will produce thanksgiving to God.


Prudence is often used by Christian believers as an excuse to remain safely within the bounds of their financial limits, trusting to a hefty bank-balance rather than God who has made it possible for them to accrue what moneys they have. When this is so, developing a history with God of His providence is prevented. I had the good fortune, as the son of a Baptist pastor in rural Saskatchewan, to see God provide miraculously for our family many, many times. My Dad left a thriving business in 1979 to serve God in the middle of nowhere, leaving an income of nearly a $100,000 a year to serve God in a pastorate for only $26,000 a year. And he had six kids and a wife to support!

But God is no man's debtor. In a myriad of ways, God made up for the monetary sacrifice my Dad made in serving Him. And we got to witness (and benefit from) God's providential efforts, up-front and in-person! My Dad could have done the "prudent" thing, the "responsible" thing, and carefully avoided any situation that might have jeopardized a healthy financial bottom line, but the trade-off would have been - as it is for many Christians - that we would never have witnessed God's amazing provision and come to trust His providence as fully as we do.
 
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Lesson of the widow's mite - Wikipedia
and would it still be the case if it involved $100 or more? Thanks.
She could throw in the winning lotto ticket if that was all she had. It would be the same but that's not the point of the story.

"for they all did cast in of their superfluity; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living." Mark 12:44

"Superfluity" was a word I had to look up very recently .

But that was more of a should the rich pay topic. Which in my view Augustine of Hippo wasn't even making. Augustine of Hippo on private property
 
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The question is, what was the money used for? God obviously doesn’t need any money

Part of the money was used to take care of people like her (the widow, orphan, and stranger). I think people sometimes miss the point Jesus makes about the scribes, i.e. that they devour window's houses. If the system were functioning according to the law, people like her would have been taken care of even if they gave all (every 3rd year the temple treasury was used for people like her). So her act of faith was proper. Was the money being used as it should have been? I think that's what Jesus is hitting on; it wasn't.

There is great irony in a charlatan using this particular passage to milk the giver for their own ends. That seems to be precisely what Jesus was critiquing.
 
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