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I thought you were a creationist, or have I got you mixed up with somebody else? If you are, how can you accept a non-literal tree of life but not a non-literal Genesis 1/2?Jkurtz said:I'm going to quote a friend of mine.
We were tested by God, using the trees. We failed. And God laid out certain punishments. The punishments were as follows
Pains in Childbirth
Eventual Death
Having to grow our own food (it won't turn out as good as the Lords, that's for sure)
Pollution
Seperation
Sin
Torment
The list goes on and on.
We created diseases using sins. We did things wrong. Didn't grow things right, or in improper areas. People died or became disformed because of this malnutrition, diseases entered the world through our stupid acts.
The universe was sent at whack, most likely because of the flood. A flood that covered the whole earth would definitely change some things. Do you disagree? This would most likely create natural disasters, Shift plates, change wind currents, formation, breaking of the earth, sea level. Why? As a punishment.
Everything else around the universe is basically alright. Except earth. Certain things are the way they are for certain reasons around the Universe. On earth, it was for punishment. That was his reason for doing those things.
It's not pre punishment. He punishes us for what we're doing, what we have done, and will do. He knows what's going to happen. Every outcome, every move you make, he knows. You can't hide from God.Ah yes - but see: he didn´t punish "them" (that is: us) for their deeds. He punished all of humanity preemptively. Punishment before crime - if you can fit that within any concept of justice, I would be very surprised.
Well there's free will out the window yet again...Jkurtz said:It's not pre punishment. He punishes us for what we're doing, what we have done, and will do. He knows what's going to happen. Every outcome, every move you make, he knows. You can't hide from God.
The word rapture comes from the Latin Vulgate translation. In the KJV the words used is "caught up".Redhat 9.1 said:No it is not. The word rapture is never used in the Bible.
Jesusfreekwanabe said:Pish posh i say ummm 47 MAX the earth is arock and cold exist for ever how ever the resources on it will be sucekd up by abotu 6billion ppl dayly for more than 20 years ill tell ya what .
kinda boggels your mind on how much hummans consume the fact that the rain forest are stil alive shold be an acomplisment
but i know varry little
That is why the government is pushing to promote hydrogen fuel. The disaster with the Hindenburg kinda shut down the research at the time. But the resources are so vast that now they feel the difficultry of working with hydrogen maybe worth it. Only right now more research is going into the use of hydrogen for electric, and very little research to try to use it as a combustion fuel. Perhaps no one wants to take a chance on another disaster, or perhaps it is just to difficult right now to use it as a combustion fuel.Jesusfreekwanabe said:the resources on it will be sucekd up by abotu 6billion ppl dayly for more than 20 years ill tell ya what
Jkurtz said:It's not pre punishment. He punishes us for what we're doing, what we have done, and will do. He knows what's going to happen. Every outcome, every move you make, he knows. You can't hide from God.
there in lies the issue , waste full ppl , like us north americans .....gluadys said:Well it could last a lot more than 20 years if 6% of those 6 billion people stopped sucking up 80% of the resources.
I am told it would take an additional five planet earths if all 6 billion were to be as wasteful of resources as North Americans.
Jesusfreekwanabe said:but that dose not matter , yes wasting is bad in many ways but it still stands that we consume soo much and have so little .
i dont see how 6% of 6 billion ppl can suck up 80% of the resources
i mean that is like less than what 2-6 millillion ppl ?
Hey friend!Jkurtz said:It's not pre punishment. He punishes us for what we're doing, what we have done, and will do. He knows what's going to happen. Every outcome, every move you make, he knows. You can't hide from God.
I find it odd that an all-knowing, all-powerful God could make something that would turn into a disaster....God knew that Adam and Eve would fail the test, but He turned disaster into triumph!
Another strange way of going about "fixing" his own mistake.What a wonderful plan! Christ made our future even greater than the original Eden was.
Asimov said:I find it odd that an all-knowing, all-powerful God could make something that would turn into a disaster....
How was it His mistake? Adam and Eve messed up. The "disaster" was Adam and Eve's mistake. God turned their miserable failure into a glorious triumph in the End.Another strange way of going about "fixing" his own mistake.
Who says He made the Tree evil? Satan turned himself evil. Angels have free will, as do humans. That shows what level God created us at. As microcosms of Himself (originall perfect microcosms, turned bad in and of their own bad decisions).
Well...apparently it's God himself who said he created evil...The Bible (aka God's Word) Isaiah 45: said:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
How was it His mistake? Adam and Eve messed up. The "disaster" was Adam and Eve's mistake. God turned their miserable failure into a glorious triumph in the End.
The failure was in MANKIND, not God.
Nice try to turn the tables on God, but no cigar.
Asimov said:Well...apparently it's God himself who said he created evil...
Adam and Eve messed up...right. These simplistic beings with no knowledge of right and wrong, no knowledge of even why they are here, only that they are here...are punished for something that God knew they would do, yet didn't know that what they were doing was wrong.
*snatches cigar away from Asimov*Mmmmmm....cigars......
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