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The Wars That Could Define The Donald Trump Presidency

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No president gets to choose the major crises that shape their legacies. Here are a few that may shape Donald Trump’s.




Almost every president since the end of the Cold War had his foreign policy legacy defined by a war no one could have foreseen. For George H.W. Bush, it was Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. Bill Clinton sought to deflect Bush’s 90 percent popularity after the successful 100-hour ground war by focusing on bread-and-butter issues. In 1992, Clinton campaign consultant James Carville summarized the strategy with the famous quip, “It’s the economy, stupid.” Clinton genuinely hoped to focus on the economy. He extricated U.S. forces from Somalia following the “Black Hawk Down” incident but found himself drawn first into Bosnia and then more reluctantly into Kosovo. George W. Bush, too, sought to be a domestic president but, after the 9/11 attacks, ordered U.S. forces into Afghanistan and, more controversially, into Iraq. Barack Obama pledged to end “dumb war,” but not only remained in Afghanistan and returned to Iraq but then involved the United States in Syria and Libya.


Russia’s invasion of Ukraine dominated the Biden administration’s foreign policy. Joe Biden did not send U.S. forces into the theater, but he did provide Ukraine with weaponry and other forms of support for their war effort. For all his talk about his genuine interest in Africa, Biden has paid little attention to the world’s deadliest conflict, the civil war in Sudan. He staked out the middle ground in the Israel-Hamas conflict, meddling diplomatically and virtue signaling with humanitarian schemes while otherwise standing largely aloof. Biden also claimed to be “the first president in this century to report to the American people that the United States is not at war anywhere in the world.” However, he omitted U.S. involvement off the coast of Yemen.


While the COVID-19 Pandemic overshadowed Donald Trump’s first term (thanks to a Chinese lab leak), he is correct in saying that he did not involve the United States in new wars. His second term will likely not be so placid.

Several wars loom, all of which could impact Trump’s legacy, whether he chooses to involve himself or not.

 

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No president gets to choose the major crises that shape their legacies. Here are a few that may shape Donald Trump’s.




Almost every president since the end of the Cold War had his foreign policy legacy defined by a war no one could have foreseen. For George H.W. Bush, it was Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. Bill Clinton sought to deflect Bush’s 90 percent popularity after the successful 100-hour ground war by focusing on bread-and-butter issues. In 1992, Clinton campaign consultant James Carville summarized the strategy with the famous quip, “It’s the economy, stupid.” Clinton genuinely hoped to focus on the economy. He extricated U.S. forces from Somalia following the “Black Hawk Down” incident but found himself drawn first into Bosnia and then more reluctantly into Kosovo. George W. Bush, too, sought to be a domestic president but, after the 9/11 attacks, ordered U.S. forces into Afghanistan and, more controversially, into Iraq. Barack Obama pledged to end “dumb war,” but not only remained in Afghanistan and returned to Iraq but then involved the United States in Syria and Libya.


Russia’s invasion of Ukraine dominated the Biden administration’s foreign policy. Joe Biden did not send U.S. forces into the theater, but he did provide Ukraine with weaponry and other forms of support for their war effort. For all his talk about his genuine interest in Africa, Biden has paid little attention to the world’s deadliest conflict, the civil war in Sudan. He staked out the middle ground in the Israel-Hamas conflict, meddling diplomatically and virtue signaling with humanitarian schemes while otherwise standing largely aloof. Biden also claimed to be “the first president in this century to report to the American people that the United States is not at war anywhere in the world.” However, he omitted U.S. involvement off the coast of Yemen.



While the COVID-19 Pandemic overshadowed Donald Trump’s first term (thanks to a Chinese lab leak), he is correct in saying that he did not involve the United States in new wars. His second term will likely not be so placid.

Several wars loom, all of which could impact Trump’s legacy, whether he chooses to involve himself or not.

Far be it from me that I should question an Original Poster on style, but why the strikes?
 
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Far be it from me that I should question an Original Poster on style, but why the strikes?
Thank you for the heads up. I really had no idea that those "strikes" were there.
 
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They were all in detail planned and carried out specifically.
Almost every president since the end of the Cold War had his foreign policy legacy defined by a war no one could have foreseen.
The wars and conflicts all were clearly foreseen and notably planned for decades earlier, if not even centuries , on purpose, for and through deception destruction chaos disruption (to kill , steal and destroy), for more power to be arranged as always in history.
 
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No president gets to choose the major crises that shape their legacies. Here are a few that may shape Donald Trump’s.




Almost every president since the end of the Cold War had his foreign policy legacy defined by a war no one could have foreseen. For George H.W. Bush, it was Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. Bill Clinton sought to deflect Bush’s 90 percent popularity after the successful 100-hour ground war by focusing on bread-and-butter issues. In 1992, Clinton campaign consultant James Carville summarized the strategy with the famous quip, “It’s the economy, stupid.” Clinton genuinely hoped to focus on the economy. He extricated U.S. forces from Somalia following the “Black Hawk Down” incident but found himself drawn first into Bosnia and then more reluctantly into Kosovo. George W. Bush, too, sought to be a domestic president but, after the 9/11 attacks, ordered U.S. forces into Afghanistan and, more controversially, into Iraq. Barack Obama pledged to end “dumb war,” but not only remained in Afghanistan and returned to Iraq but then involved the United States in Syria and Libya.


Russia’s invasion of Ukraine dominated the Biden administration’s foreign policy. Joe Biden did not send U.S. forces into the theater, but he did provide Ukraine with weaponry and other forms of support for their war effort. For all his talk about his genuine interest in Africa, Biden has paid little attention to the world’s deadliest conflict, the civil war in Sudan. He staked out the middle ground in the Israel-Hamas conflict, meddling diplomatically and virtue signaling with humanitarian schemes while otherwise standing largely aloof. Biden also claimed to be “the first president in this century to report to the American people that the United States is not at war anywhere in the world.” However, he omitted U.S. involvement off the coast of Yemen.



While the COVID-19 Pandemic overshadowed Donald Trump’s first term (thanks to a Chinese lab leak), he is correct in saying that he did not involve the United States in new wars. His second term will likely not be so placid.

Several wars loom, all of which could impact Trump’s legacy, whether he chooses to involve himself or not.

Interesting albeit speculative article.

It contained some of the myths of the American right e.g. the debunked Chinese lab leak theory relating to covid.

Does Trump need African minerals if he takes Greenland and gets Canada to open up its oil fields and minerals for American exploitation safeguarding the Panama Canal to allow transit between America's two oceans? If he plans to merely abandon his allies and break up current institutions for his trade advantage why does he need to worry about their wars?

The cost is that China gets Taiwan and its chip industry. Russia expands its borders and China takes over the EU market and Africa also, as the US turns up the backs of its European allies and loses them forever. Meantimes domestically the US dollar and American borrowing come under threat from an ever-increasing deficit and its economy hovers on the edge of bankruptcy and oblivion.
 
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The cost is that China gets Taiwan and its chip industry. Russia expands its borders and China takes over the EU market and Africa also, as the US turns up the backs of its European allies and loses them forever. Meantimes domestically the US dollar and American borrowing come under threat from an ever-increasing deficit and its economy hovers on the edge of bankruptcy and oblivion.
While I am mostly optimistic that the United States of America won’t default on her debt, it sure is beginning in to look like a bargaining chip!

Buckle up!
 
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Thank you for the heads up. I really had no idea that those "strikes" were there.

The forum interprets little editorial edits with square brackets as occasional style edits. In this case, s for strikeout.

If you add a {/s} (but with square brackets) after the strikeout starts, it'll stop it.

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The forum interprets little editorial edits with square brackets as occasional style edits. In this case, s for strikeout.

If you add a {/s} (but with square brackets) after the strikeout starts, it'll stop it.

war,”
One can also always approach a local constabulary official for help, or to fix?
 
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One can also always approach a local constabulary official for help, or to fix?
Give a fish a mod's help with a forum post, and he'll post for a day; teach a fish some BB code, he'll post for a lifetime.
 
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Give a fish a mod's help with a forum post, and he'll post for a day; teach a fish some BB code, he'll post for a lifetime.
I probably delete a good 25% of my missives here, but of the others, they get relentlessly proofreaded and edited until I’m satisfied the mistakes are where I want them to be!
 
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I thought the final congressional report on Covid determined the virus likely emerged from a lab accident in Wuhan China involving gain-of-function research.


This report originated in a House of Representatives controlled by the Republican party. So it is a product of a partisan political culture in an election year.

Previously the majority of American Intelligence agencies ruled out the lab theory of COVID-19 origins or considered the uncertainty too great to make a definitive statement.

Serious global scientific thinking contradicts the Fox News Republicans First approach to truth adopted by the Select Committee in this case:
 
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I thought the final congressional report on Covid determined the virus likely emerged from a lab accident in Wuhan China involving gain-of-function research.
Anything truth?
 
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This report originated in a House of Representatives controlled by the Republican party. So it is a product of a partisan political culture in an election year.

Previously the majority of American Intelligence agencies ruled out the lab theory of COVID-19 origins or considered the uncertainty too great to make a definitive statement.

Serious global scientific thinking contradicts the Fox News Republicans First approach to truth adopted by the Select Committee in this case:
It is an official Gov document. The prior narrative was created by Dems and Fauci...
 
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It is an official Gov document.
Hilarious coming from you that you think this makes it somehow truthful at the exact same time you dismiss cia.gov, cdc.gov, etc.
 
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Hilarious coming from you that you think this makes it somehow truthful at the exact same time you dismiss cia.gov, cdc.gov, etc.
It is hilarious you think so!
 
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