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The Waldensens and the Sabbath

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I have been reading information on the waldensens. According to EGW the Waldensensens were Apostolic Christians who amoung other things kept the Sabbath. I have been had trouble find these claims in history could someone please tell me the source on this information.

a. the claim to apostolic Authority.
b. the keeping of the Sabbath.
 

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Zurcher, Jean "A Vindication of Ellen White as Historian," Spectrum 16/3 (1985): 21-31; found online at http://www.spectrummagazine.org/spectrum/archive16-20/16-3zurcher.pdf.

He shows 8 cases in which EGW was correct in her description of the Waldenses and Albigenses.​
An interesting quote occurs in endnote #21, page 30, that is applicable today with EGW and the SDA church: Albert Reville stated "we are reduced to descriptions given by adversaries, by some apostates, and to depositions gathered by the tribunals of the inquisition. Some are disparaging, others suspect, so that we have to beware especially of the tendency of these judges or of these historians, equally biased, to present as direct dogmas or as beliefs positively professed by the Cathari, many ridiculous or repulsive eccentricities which are only the real or assumed consequences of principles admitted by them. Nothing is more deceptive than a method like this." Revue des Deux-Mondes, May 1, 1874, quoted by Deodet Roche, Le Catharisme, Vol. 1, 1973.​
 
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Ellen White got this idea from the fact that the Waldenses were called Insabbati. Given Ellen's lack of training in languages she misunderstood this to mean Sabbath keepers, when the fact is in the language of their area, Insabbati meant sandal-wearers as the Waldenses wore sandals rather than shoes as an act of humility. They were good, pious Christian people who were unfairly and unjustly persecuted by the Roman Catholic Church but they did NOT keep the Seventh Day Sabbath.

Shalom,

Lebesgue
 
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There is a lot of pseudo history out there. Here is what the History of the Christian Church vol 6 says, (you can read it on ccel.org after you register it costs nothing.)
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc6.doc
 
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Thanks for the proof to back that up.
 
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Ellen White got this idea from the fact that the Waldenses were called Insabbati. Given Ellen's lack of training in languages she misunderstood this to mean Sabbath keepers

Where's the proof that this is where she got it from?

they did NOT keep the Seventh Day Sabbath.

Again, where's the proof?
 
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EGW lack of training is exactly one of the reasons God used her. She had no "credentials" that she could ever point to.
 
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EGW lack of training is exactly one of the reasons God used her. She had no "credentials" that she could ever point to.

Is that the reason given for why she was wrong about the Waldenses "Keeping" the sabbath? The Waldenses believed in the Real Presence and confession of sins to a Waldenses bishop, if a Waldenses clergy was not around then they would just go see a Catholic Priest.
 
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And your information comes from where?
 
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Djconklin said:
Where's the proof that she was wrong?

mva1985 said:
And your information comes from where?

Directly from the Waldenses themselves. Another example of being "very" dishonest with history. How about you showing me the source Ellen used to make the statement the Waldenses "kept" the Sabbath?

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But There Is Historical Evidence Of Some Observance Of The Seventh-day Sabbath Among The Waldenses. A Report Of An Inquisition Before Whom Were Brought Some Waldenses Of Moravia In The Middle Of The Fifteenth Century Declares That Among The Waldenses "not A Few Indeed Celebrate The "sabbath With The Jews."--johann Joseph Ignaz Von Dollinger, Beitrage Zur Sektengeschichte Des Mittelalters (reports On The History Of The Sects Of The Middle Ages), Munich, 1890, 2d Pt., P. 661. There Can Be No Question That This Source Indicates The Observance Of The Seventh-day Sabbath.
 
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Incorrect. No secular or religious historians suggest "any" Waldenses ever kept the Sabbath. The Catholic Church holds Mass every day of the week and that would include some Waldenses attended Mass on Saturday like any Christian of the time would do.

If you doubt the quote I provided you with simply contact the Waldenses youself. This is just like the "history" where SDA's suggest D.L. Moody taught the Seventh day Sabbath when he rejected it in total.
 
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The link I posted earlier also indicates the Waldenses were not Sabbathkeepers.

Yes, I agree with you and so does all recorded history. Early Adventists were feverish in their attempts to demonstrate seventh day sabbath keeping in the early Church and knowing that there was no such thing they took indecent liberties with historical sources that were difficult for people to confirm. Now, with the age of the internet and the speed of snail mail that age of deception is crashing down and removing members as it comes.
 
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