The True Gospel

[yashualover]

The True Gospel (Is there anybody out there not saved)


Please try this test to see if you are a good person.

http://www.livingwaters.com/good/

Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are obedient to call for Christians to evangelize.

This is their web site.

http://www.wayofthemaster.com/

Please feel free to ask me questions pertaining to salvation or doctrine

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

And what is a good person?

 

[yashualover]

And what is a good person?

There is no such thing as a good person, never has been, never will be. That is from the fall to the end of the world as we know it.

Christians and nonchristians deserve hell. Only those who have Jesus Christ as their advocate will escape the wrath to come.

 

[emmzee]

Many believe that without God the concept of morality (good and evil) is nonsensical. (I think of for example atheist philosopher Michael Onfray who argues that if God does not exist we should be free to redefine what is "moral" however we want.) On the other hand, if we posit that there are certain moral absolutes (or even a single moral absolute) then this suggests that a God of some sort must exist, since naturalistic, social, and evolutionary explanations of morality are insufficient. See for example:
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5457

Re the specific question "What is a good person?" ... please check out my little article on the subject:
http://thelife.com/explore/goodpeople.html

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

There is no such thing as a good person, never has been, never will be. That is from the fall to the end of the world as we know it.

Christians and nonchristians deserve hell. Only those who have Jesus Christ as their advocate will escape the wrath to come.

Okay, what is your definition of the hypothetical good person?

 

[yashualover]

Okay, what is your definition of the hypothetical good person?

hypothetical - involving ideas or possibilities: existing as or involving something that exists as an unproven idea, theory, or possibility
- assumed for sake of argument: assumed or proposed for further investigation


It would be futile to speak of something that does not exist.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

hypothetical - involving ideas or possibilities: existing as or involving something that exists as an unproven idea, theory, or possibility
- assumed for sake of argument: assumed or proposed for further investigation


It would be futile to speak of something that does not exist.

So let's see here:
You asked if anyone is a good person.
But you claim that by defintion, a good person can't exist. And that no definition exists for what a good person is because they can't exist.

Do you see the massive logical contradiction you have created? You asked a question that is completely meaningless.

I could just as well ask: Is anyone a Togfar? And then declare there is no definition for what a Togfar is and that they can't exist.

 

[yashualover]

So let's see here:
You asked if anyone is a good person.
But you claim that by defintion, a good person can't exist. And that no definition exists for what a good person is because they can't exist.

Do you see the massive logical contradiction you have created? You asked a question that is completely meaningless.

I could just as well ask: Is anyone a Togfar? And then declare there is no definition for what a Togfar is and that they can't exist.

Greetings in the name of Yeshua.

Your the one who is questioning.

I am simply stating there is no such thing as a good person in the eyes of God, never has been since the fall and never will be until the end of the world as we know it.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Greetings in the name of Yeshua.

Your the one who is questioning.

I am simply stating there is no such thing as a good person in the eyes of God, never has been since the fall and never will be until the end of the world as we know it.

You presented a test that asked whether or not one thinks they are a good person.

You say there is no such thing as a good person and you can't define it. You are obviously working under a definition- otherwise you wouldn't be able to state whether or not it can exist. The problem is that you are using words and phrases in nonsensical ways that sound like they mean something, can mean anything but mean nothing.

Unless you can tell me what a good person is, you have no basis for also determining whether or not one has ever existed.

 

[yashualover]

You presented a test that asked whether or not one thinks they are a good person.

You say there is no such thing as a good person and you can't define it. You are obviously working under a definition- otherwise you wouldn't be able to state whether or not it can exist. The problem is that you are using words and phrases in nonsensical ways that sound like they mean something, can mean anything but mean nothing.

Unless you can tell me what a good person is, you have no basis for also determining whether or not one has ever existed.

Your trying t justify yourself, that's pride.

Luk 18:10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed, 'O God, I thank you that I'm not like other people-thieves, dishonest people, adulterers, or even this tax collector.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice a week, and I give a tenth of my entire income.'
Luk 18:13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance and would not even look up to heaven. Instead, he continued to beat his chest and said, 'O God, be merciful to me, the sinner that I am!'
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man, rather than the other, went down to his home justified. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the person who humbles himself will be exalted."