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No one cares what is believed. Show us a scientist that understands the data, and we can rake him or her over the coals here.
Ah, bingo! You thought you knew distances...unless that were true all is lost for your case! I say you do not know them. Knowing distance depends on knowing time all the way there.
So, ignorance is pleaded again. OK. You would need to show that space and time are the same way out there, to achieve any correlation with GR. Merely seeing shifted light when something gets near something else does not tell us GR did it!
Sometimes some people have rather unique ideas, such as the ever present one here on this site about how magnetic fields are important in galaxies
The sun standing still was felt physically by those living in that little area or at least fighting in a little area one day.
The answer is not absolutely nothing, the answer is absolutely everything.
The Technology we have today and that we use trillions of times per day as a species is a testament to said technology being real. That technology was born from scientific principles that again are reaffirmed every day over and over again...
So, when a group tries to use said principles and technology to explain the unknown, their postulations, hypotheses, theories, etc are going to have some credence to them.
I will 100% agree that cosmology models have some fairie dust in them, sure... If you look at the history of science, this has happened plenty of times-- one example that comes to mind is the plum pudding model for atomic theory. We now know that model was completely wrong however the model was disproved by using the scientific method and it helped lead us to better more accurate models.
I feel that cosmology is similar, they will keep modeling the universe using the principles we have learned on Earth and they will refine the model every time things are proved or disproved... eventually they will build more accurate models.
but in the mean time, meh, I'm not ready to completely through the baby out with the bath water and declare that the universe is not billions of years old...
And therein lies the difference between science and pseudoscience. Well, one of them, anyway. Scientific theories are never written in stone. There is always the chance of new observations changing the model. Fine. Science is not a religion. It is not written in stone, nor does it require faith. Both religion and pseudoscience require zero science, zero evidence, and a lot of faith.
Take - It leads to misuse of fundamental terms like claiming "abiogenesis" is other than pure conjecture without evidence - ie faith based. (some wrongly use the words hypothesis or theory ) Where in reality abiogenesis is a name for a gaping hole in an a priori conjecture that "life is a biochemical accident, consciousness a chemical process" - the atheist mantra, they keep repeating in the hope they can believe it!
I've explained more than once how our notions of distances and space and time are based on observation and inference, but it appears you still don't have the foggiest notion of this stuff.
I actually understand more than enough to make mincemeat out of their ideas and fables and beliefs and foolish misconceptions.Why not have a look in the scientific literature? And I doubt you understand enough about science to engage in a meaningful discussion with a scientist.
Date?
I actually understand more than enough to make mincemeat out of their ideas and fables and beliefs and foolish misconceptions.
While there is some relatively small differences in accounts allowing for some interpretive error of some decades, here is one account from Israeli tradition.
"Abraham (who was first called Abram) was born in the year 1948 after Creation (1813 BCE). .."
"Abraham was the tenth generation removed from Noah, being a direct descendant of Shem, (Noah's son), the father of all the "Semitic" peoples. When Abraham was born, Shem was 390 years Old, and his father Noah was 892 years old, Abraham was 58 years old when Noah died, and 110 years old when Shem died. "
..Abraham's Early Life
Observing something unfold in our time and space is observation. Fishbowl observation. It tells us nothing of space and time far away, as you have been told.
It is far more believable, and sensible, than 'God did it.'!
And I've explained how the evidence says you're mistaken. If you have contradictory evidence, or a reasoned argument to support your claim, by all means present it.Observing something unfold in our time and space is observation. Fishbowl observation. It tells us nothing of space and time far away, as you have been told.
Why would I need a mechanism for you to be able to support your own claims of a certain nature in the past?No, you obviously don't. And you have not got one iota of evidence for your nonsense, let alone a mechanism.
Not sure why you think I need evidence for what you don't know. Space, and what is it out there? Time...same question? What else is out there you can't see? Will you admit if time were not the same no distances can be known for deep space?And I've explained how the evidence says you're mistaken. If you have contradictory evidence, or a reasoned argument to support your claim, by all means present it.
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