The Trinity

mister rogers · Apr 13, 2019

Albion said:
But it also says, "and the Word was God."

So, to be with God and also be God is what has to be addressed. Still at square one.

Albion · Apr 13, 2019

mister rogers said:
So, to be with God and also be God is what has to be addressed. Still at square one.

Not really. To be God precludes any multiplicity of gods.

mister rogers · Apr 13, 2019

And to be WITH God automatically means in some sense other than. And HE was WITH God. Jesus reveals a bit more about this in John 17:5. The Son is speaking about personally being with his Father from before time.

Albion · Apr 13, 2019

mister rogers said:
And to be WITH God automatically means in some sense other than. And HE was WITH God. Jesus reveals a bit more about this in John 17:5. The Son is speaking about personally being with his Father from before time.

So you have indications that the nature of God is indeed triune. But one thing is certain...there is only one God, so any attempt to interpret any of Christs words or the Evangelists words as meaning something other than that is necessarily mistaken.

mister rogers · Apr 13, 2019

Right. Somehow he is with the one God and is the one God at the same time.

Albion · Apr 13, 2019

mister rogers said:
Right. Somehow he is with the one God and is the one God at the same time.

Remember that when it comes to Jesus, he was both divine and human at once, so that some of what he says seems to reflect his divine nature while other of his comments seem to be very human.

mister rogers · Apr 13, 2019

mister rogers said:
Right. Somehow he is with the one God and is the one God at the same time.

And scripture interprets scripture. What else is revealed throughout John and the rest of the Bible we have to consider.

mister rogers · Apr 13, 2019

Right. But saying he was with the Father in glory before time (John 17:5) definitely is not speaking of his humanity, and yet speaking of that experience as one other than the Father.

ewq1938 · Apr 13, 2019

Think of the Trinity/God like the bride of Christ. There is one bride of Christ, yet a large number of men and women form this one bride. Each individual will spiritually wed Christ but that doesn't equal there being a large number of brides in the grander picture where it's just one groom and one bride.

Three forming a single God and and a large numbers of Christians forming a single bride. There isn't multiple Gods anymore than there are multiple brides.

ViaCrucis · Apr 13, 2019

BCsenior said:
They say this Person was "fully human"!
"Jesus" (Lk 1:31)
"the Son of the Highest" (Lk 1:32)
"the Son of God" (Lk 1:35)

Yes, Jesus Christ is fully human. For we confess one Lord Jesus Christ, perfect in Godhood and perfect in manhood, of one nature with the Father concerning His Deity, and of one nature with us concerning His humanity, of a rational soul and body, like us in all ways but without sin. One Jesus Christ, Son, Word, Lord, only-begotten; begotten of the Father from all eternity as God of God, and in these last days conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He is the Incarnate God-Man. This is Jesus Christ our Lord.

-CryptoLutheran

mister rogers · Apr 13, 2019

And then of course there's the plural passages. This one is quite telling:
"Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." John 14:23

ewq1938 · Apr 13, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
Yes, Jesus Christ is fully human.

Hasn't been human since he died. He resurrected fully divine and remains that way now and forever. Humanity is temporary, with a beginning and an end.

1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

ViaCrucis · Apr 13, 2019

"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," - 1 Timothy 2:5

-CryptoLutheran

ewq1938 · Apr 13, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," - 1 Timothy 2:5

A divine man in a divine body, He was fully God before the human incarnation and is fully God after the human incarnation.

Exo_15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Isa_42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Here the Lord is not being called a "human man" nor does the NT verse indicate that Christ remains a human man.

harko · Apr 15, 2019

Jesus came to do the Fathers work. Is Jesus lower than the Father or the same .

mister rogers · Apr 15, 2019

Equal, but becoming man was willingly submissive so as to provide sufficient atonement. As for submissive from before the incarnation, that is a debate within Trinitarian thought called the "eternal subordination of the Son".

harko · Apr 15, 2019

mister rogers said:
Equal, but becoming man was willingly submissive so as to provide sufficient atonement. As for submissive from before the incarnation, that is a debate within Trinitarian thought called the "eternal subordination of the Son".

Thank You God bless ✊

ewq1938 · Apr 15, 2019

harko said:
Jesus came to do the Fathers work. Is Jesus lower than the Father or the same .

The person doing the will of someone else is lower as far as authority. They are equal in divinity but a Father is above a Son in other ways. This is why Christ obeys what his Father commands and why scripture states the Father is the head of Christ.

BCsenior · Apr 16, 2019

mister rogers said:
So, to be with God and also be God is what has to be addressed. Still at square one.

So was the Holy Spirit.
All Three were together in the beginning.
So what?

BCsenior · Apr 16, 2019

mister rogers said:
Right. Somehow he is with the one God and is the one God at the same time.

The only One who is "the only true God" is Father God
(John 17:3).
Eternal life is knowing both Him and the Lord Jesus!

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