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The Transition Period ?

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Some Bible teachers or commentaters, tell us about a transition period. Most who will NOT agree with me are Covenant theology OR Acts 2 believers.
1) Some really see where some of these transitions ARE.

2) Some say that Acts 2:1-16 is pivotal because the Holy Spirit was given to them to speak in tongues, forfetting that it was prophecied in Joel and they should have known this and Christians refuse to believe it that it was prophecy and say that the Body of Christ began here and call them selves Acts 2.

3) They can not be called Dispensationalists or mid-Acts.


4) Another transition post is in Acts 7:51-60. Here Israel is called stiffnecked like those today.

5) And most miss the importance of Act 9 and don't understand his ministry in Acts 9: 15 where his ministry is DUAL , to the Gentiles and kings and to the Children of Israel. If you don't understand this truth you will NEVER understand the book of Acts.

6) After his salvation, Paul recieves very intense training from the risen Christ Himself Gal 1:11-24.

7) Pages could be said about the transition. And the verse of scripture that describe it is found in 1 Cor 13: 8-13

8) Here the Corinth assemby in 1 Cor 3 Pauls says that he could not call them spiritual. They were saved, they were carnel, milk drinkers, and walk as men , repected persons ,and in 1 Cor 4 :15- 16 were not followers of Paul as Paul followed Christ.

9) To me the great division is in 1 Cor 13: 8-13.


10) In v8 Paul is telling us that Love will never fail but some will fail


11) Prophecies THEY will fail


12) Tongues , they shall CEASE


13) The gift of knowledge , it shall vanish away.


14) These 3 things were going to pass away , BECAUSE God was going to set Israel aside, TEMPORARILY.

iN V11 , WHEN I was a child ( new and immature in Christ ) I understood as a child ( don't know the Revelation of the Mystery ) I thought as a child ( aways had a bottle in their mouth, caused problems at the assembly, can't make good decisions and someone aways has to calm them down )

15) But when you start learning Pauline truth, you start becoming a man , WHY ? Because prophecies, tongues , and the gift of knowledge ARE CHILDISH THINGS.

16) Understanding the book of Eph 3 : 1-11 and Col 1:25 will make sense and will grow in the grace of God.

17) These verses are very much misunderstood .
 
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Hi Dan:

Some Bible teachers or commentators, tell us about a transition period. Most who will NOT agree with me are Covenant theology OR Acts 2 believers.

First of all, the fact that other CF.com members agree or disagree with you has very little to do with anything. Your interpretation ‘is’ supported by God’s Living Word ‘or’ it simply is not. Period. Our interpretations of ‘The Truth’ says exactly what God says ‘and’ without creating a single contradiction. I have some idea of what you are talking about in referencing a ‘transition period,’ but the typical CF.com member and reader might not understand what the heck you are even talking about. :0) The ‘transition’ I think you are referring to is the ‘Dispensational Shift’ from this diagram:

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The first transition is created by John the Baptist (Elijah), as the “Prophets and the Law prophesied until John” (Matt. 11:13) and God began to fulfill His promises to Israel ONLY (Matt. 15:24) by offering the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Matt. 4:23, 9:35) shaded in blue. Peter’s Early Rains (James 5:7) Kingdom ‘Bride’ (Jn 3:29) is then ‘cut off’ (Rev. 20:4) with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD, which eliminated the possibility of keeping the whole law (James 2:10). God raised Paul up (conversion = Acts 9:15-16) to give him a brand new ‘gospel I preach among the Gentiles’ (Gal. 2:2) through “a revelation of Jesus Christ” (Gal. 1:11-12) seeing the Dispensational Shift from Peter’s Kingdom ‘Bride’ to Paul’s Mystery “Body of Christ” (Eph. 4:12) still very much in the world today with the “Dispensation of God’s Grace” (Eph. 3:2) shaded in red. The next transition will take place at our Rapture (1Thes. 4:15-17), when the Holy Spirit baton will be passed back to Elijah returning to restore ‘all things’ (Matt. 17:10-11) as the ‘prophet’ of Acts 3:22-23 to include the ‘tabernacle of David/Adam.’ Acts 15:16-18 = advanced diagram.

1) Some really see where some of these transitions ARE.

Yes. Some of us are very familiar with the different dispensations and can identify dispensational shifts using Scripture and many diagrams. :0)

2) Some say that Acts 2:1-16 is pivotal because the Holy Spirit was given to them to speak in tongues, forgetting that it was prophesied in Joel and they should have known this and Christians refuse to believe it that it was prophecy and say that the Body of Christ began here and call them selves Acts 2.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is preached in three separate ministries of the Father (John the Baptist), Son (Christ Himself) and the Holy Spirit beginning on the Day of Pentecost shown here:

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John the Baptist’s ministry (prophet of the Most High = Luke 1:76-78) is shown in golden yellow (spirit witness), while Christ’s earthly ministry is shown in red ‘and’ the Holy Spirit’s ministry preaching the “Gospel of the Kingdom” began on the Day of Pentecost shown in blue. Note that the Dispensational Shift ‘downward’ for the Kingdom ‘Bride’ actually begins with the stoning of Steven (Acts 7) where Paul comes into the picture just prior to his conversion in Acts 9. The fact is that the Day of Pentecost has NOTHING whatsoever to do with our mystery ‘Body of Christ’ (Church #2 here) that began with Paul’s conversion as the ‘first’ (protos = 1Tim. 1:15-16) member of Christ’s Body to be baptized into Christ Himself for becoming an active participant in His death (Gal. 2:20), burial (Rom. 6:3-4) in the tomb and glorious resurrection (Col. 3:1-3) to be seated with Christ IN the heavenly places that are IN Christ Jesus. Eph. 2:6. Peter’s Kingdom “Bride” obeying the Gospel of the Kingdom does NOT place anyone into Christ ‘and’ imparts “Christ IN YOU” (Col. 1:27) in NOBODY. We are currently living within the 2000 Year Mystery Time (in red again) that NONE of the OT Prophets were given to see, but they see very clearly into the upcoming 1000 Year Day of the Lord (lower right = in blue again).

3) They can not be called Dispensationalists or mid-Acts.

Unfortunately, the Dispensationalism Denominations include real members of Christ’s BODY (1Cor. 12:27 = like us) and many pretenders playing as ‘servants of righteousness’ serving their ‘angel of light’ (2Cor. 11:14-15) having no idea about what they are even doing under the power of the ‘deluding influence’ forcing them to ‘believe what is false.’ 2Thes. 2:11. They can call themselves Dispy’s or anything else that comes to mind . . . :0)

4) Another transition post is in Acts 7:51-60. Here Israel is called stiffnecked like those today.

You are talking about the account of Steven (name means ‘crown’) ‘full of the Holy Spirit’ (Acts 6:5, 7:55) and stoned to death by Israel’s own hands!! This does not mark the ‘transition,’ but represents the beginning of the third and final ‘rejection’ of the Gospel of the Kingdom recognized by Paul as Israel’s ‘transgression’ (Romans 11:11). The actual Dispensational Shift will take place later in 70 AD, when God executes His judgment (after 40 years from 30 AD) by destroying Jerusalem and the Temple. This marks the time that the Kingdom Bride began to ‘decrease’ in the same way that the Holy Spirit went from John the Baptist to Christ (Matt. 3:15-16) and John began to ‘decrease.’ John 3:30. Therefore, the Steven account is just one of many events leading up to the coming ‘transition’ or Dispensational Shift.

5) And most miss the importance of Act 9 and don't understand his ministry in Acts 9: 15 where his ministry is DUAL , to the Gentiles and kings and to the Children of Israel. If you don't understand this truth you will NEVER understand the book of Acts.

We agree 100 percent. :0) The Book of Acts is the Transitional First Veil (diagram) standing between the 13 Kingdom Books (Court of Scripture) and the 13 Pauline Epistles (Holy Place of Scripture). Jesus Christ came in ‘water and blood’ (1Jn 5:6) meaning He came in “Kingdom” (Peter’s Kingdom Bride) and “Grace” (Paul’s Mystery Body of Christ), but most people have no idea about what these concepts even mean. :0) The Book of Acts contains doctrinal components of Peter’s Kingdom Dispensation ‘and’ Paul’s Mystery “Dispensation of God’s Grace” described in Acts 20:24-27 as ‘two’ parts of the 'whole purpose of God.' The typical CF.com member and reader simply tosses everything into a single pot to extract only those things tasty to their particular form of Denominationalism without ever raising their head above the crowd for ‘rightly dividing’ (2Tim. 2:15) anything. Dan is a younger member of Christ’s Body who ‘can’ see some of these differences ‘and’ he feels a bit frustrated because MANY cannot see ‘our gospel’ (2Cor. 4:3-4) as something totally new.

6) After his salvation, Paul receives very intense training from the risen Christ Himself Gal 1:11-24.

We Agree. Paul refers to these lessons as ‘visions and revelations of the Lord.’ 2Corinthians 12:1. Paul receives ‘our gospel’ (#2 here) through a ‘revelation of Jesus Christ’ (Gal. 1:11-12) and even submits the ‘gospel I preach among the Gentiles’ (Gal. 2:2) to this same Peter and John who preached the “Gospel of the Kingdom” from the very beginning, but MANY people running around this place want to believe everyone is preaching ‘their’ version of a ‘one gospel’ that has no basis in Biblical reality whatsoever. Our Gospel is VEILED to those who are PERISHING (2Cor. 4:3-4) and those among us who ‘do’ know the difference must face the fact that MANY are distorting this ‘wisdom given him’ (Paul) to “their own destruction.” 2Peter 3:14-16.

7) Pages could be said about the transition. And the verse of scripture that describe it is found in 1 Cor 13: 8-13

The ‘sign gifts’ are connected directly to the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1) that Peter is preaching in Acts 2, according to Christ’s Great Commission commands of Mark 16:15-16. The ‘disciples’ in the Corinthian congregation said to be “of Apollos” and “of Cephas” (Gal. 1) are the people who ‘did’ have the sign gifts, but the members of “Christ’s BODY” (like us) only received a pledge (earnest = down payment) of their inheritance (Eph. 1:13-14), until we receive the remainder on the ‘day of redemption’ (Eph. 4:30). The ‘transition’ you are talking about here (1Cor. 13) is about the gifts of prophecy, knowledge and tongues continuing in Paul’s day, BUT they ‘ceased’ by the time the ‘perfect’ came in the form of the complete Word of God (the Scriptures = 2Tim. 3:16-17).


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8) Here the Corinth assemby in 1 Cor 3 Pauls says that he could not call them spiritual. They were saved, they were carnel, milk drinkers, and walk as men , repected persons ,and in 1 Cor 4 :15- 16 were not followers of Paul as Paul followed Christ.

9) To me the great division is in 1 Cor 13: 8-13.

The ‘fleshy’ (1Cor. 3:1-3) babes IN Christ are the members of Christ’s BODY that Paul was NOT sent to baptize in water (1Cor. 1:17), because our ‘one baptism’ (Eph. 4:5) is done by the Holy Spirit Himself (1Cor. 12:13). Paul also speaks of the ‘mature’ in 1Cor. 2:6-8, but that also has nothing to do with the sign gifts for Peter’s Kingdom ‘Bride’ (Church #1) one way or the other. However, since Dan shows some signs of maturity, then I will reveal deeper secrets right here that will be confirmed throughout the ages to come:

What Dan is pointing to right here is a ‘water mark’ that exists within the ‘blood witness’ (Pauline Epistles) of God’s Living Word that ‘separates’ the members of Christ’s Body into two groups in heaven. The dominant group has solid ‘spirit and blood witness’ stones in their crowns and ephods (pic = in center), but the lesser group (like the womenfolk among us) have crowns (ouch) and ephods bearing ‘water witness’ stones and markings that require a ton of WORKS and WORKS and more WORKS to remove through MANY ages.

Those among the members of Christ’s Body here (there are a few) who mix the ‘water’ and ‘blood’ components of Peter’s Kingdom ‘Bride’ with Paul’s Mystery 'Body of Christ' are inheriting this ‘water mark’ upon yourself giving you a ‘lower’ position in Christ’s Body very much resembling a Pyramid (diagram). Standing near the very top of this ‘Body of Christ’ Pyramid, and looking down, allows you to see many of the darker stones (sons) bearing many water marks at the very bottom of the dwelling who pool together like a sticky sludge gravitating towards the darkness and away from being exposed by the massive Light. You can help yourself greatly by working RIGHT NOW to locate and remove these ‘water marks’ from your testimony, so that testing by fire (1Cor. 3:12-15) does NOT ruin your heavenly garment and leave you with the wrong stones in your heavenly crown, ephod and FAR WORSE. :0)

10) In v8 Paul is telling us that Love will never fail but some will fail

11) Prophecies THEY will fail

12) Tongues , they shall CEASE

13) The gift of knowledge , it shall vanish away.

The sign gifts of prophecy, knowledge and tongues all ceased with the completion (perfection) of the Word of God in the Scriptures ‘and’ with Peter’s Kingdom “Bride” being “cut off” (Rev. 20:4) almost 2000 years ago. However, God needed these prophets and men of knowledge to fill in the gap ‘before’ the Holy Scriptures were completed to level the playing field for all the members of Christ’s BODY living in Paul’s day. Otherwise, those of you seeing the ‘completed Scriptures’ would have a distinct advantage over our brethren living in a Scripture-less vacuum making a Just God appear very much unjust.

14) These 3 things were going to pass away , BECAUSE God was going to set Israel aside, TEMPORARILY.

No! This is where your applecart leaves the roadway and slams headlong into the ditch! God is setting Israel aside ANYWAY, because of their TRANSGRESSION (Rom. 11:11) in failing to recognize John the Baptist ‘and’ Christ (Matt. 17:12) ‘and’ the third offering via the “Holy Spirit” beginning at Pentecost. Now read from Paul’s statements on this very topic and wake up, because I do NOT want to see all of those terrible water marks in your heavenly apparel!

“What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who WERE chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; just as it is written, "God gave them a SPIRIT OF STUPOR, eyes to see NOT and ears to hear NOT, down to this very day." And David says, "Let their table become a snare and a trap, and a stumbling block [Rom. 9:30-32] and a retribution to them. Let their eyes be darkened and see NOT, and bend their backs forever.” I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.” Romans 11:7-11.
Those who ‘were chosen’ to obtain a heavenly destiny include Peter, John, James and everyone obeying the “Gospel of the Kingdom” TO THE END (Matt. 24:13), but Israel as a nation followed in the footsteps of the chief priests, Pharisees, lawyers, scribes, hypocrites who rejected God’s purpose for themselves (Luke 7:29-30). Yes. God has sat Israel aside in ‘blindness’ (Rom. 11:25), but those obeying the Gospel of the Kingdom are heavenly ‘water witnesses’ (priests) described in 1Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:6 + 5:10 to fulfill such ‘prophecies’ as recorded in Exodus 19:5-6. In other words, Dan is joining the ‘two’ dispensations of Israel ‘and’ Peter’s Kingdom ‘Bride’ into ‘one’ dispensation without making allowances for the vast differences! If you are misapplying Scripture for these ‘two groups’ (believers ‘and’ unbelievers of the Gospel of the Kingdom,) THEN you must be including members of Peter’s Bride in with ‘our’ mystery Body of Christ (or Israel), which adds the dreaded ‘water marks’ to your heavenly garments that we are trying to avoid at all costs. :0) The three primary ‘dispensations’ of Scripture include:

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1. Israel of the flesh. Romans 9:1-5 in golden yellow.
2. Paul’s Mystery “Body of Christ.” Ephesians 4:12 in red.
3. Peter’s Kingdom “Bride.” John 3:29 in blue.

The ‘water marks’ you see in Paul’s Corinthian Epistles are commands written ‘to’ the members of Peter’s Kingdom Bride who happen to be part of this largest assembly of all in the two-port city of Corinth. Therefore, be very carefully in how you choose to apply those aspects of “Kingdom Doctrine” to the members of Christ’s BODY, because those things are NOT intended for ‘us’ at all. :0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
 
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