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The Transfiguration...

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It has been taught that when both Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus that Moses represented those who would die, and thus be raised to everlasting life, and Elijah represented those who would be translated to eternal life, thus not tasting death.

But is this what we are to really understand from this passage? Could it be that there's something else that Jesus sought to disclose to those who witnessed this?

What could it be?

Come, let us reason together...
 

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Elijah and Moses were both ones who faced opposition, difficulty from a rebellious people, were tempted to discouragement, etc.

Jesus discussed with them His departure. They more than anyone could understandat least a part of what He was going through. The glorification of Christ was a further evidence of Christ's being chosen of God. The voice at the baptism, and again at the time when the Greeks came to see Him shows God's continual approval of Him, despite the fact that He was scorned by the religiious leaders, and would suffere death in an gruesome way.

It was a time of encouragement. The disciples missed out through sleeping.
 
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Jesus discussed with them His departure.

But why would He do this?

Was He really silent on the matter all of those years while Moses and Elijah were with Him in heaven?

There's something else to this...

What did Moses really represent? What did Elijah really represent?

They spoke to Jesus. Why did they answer to Jesus?

Why did they disappear and Jesus was the only one left.

Where does truth and grace find their place in all of this?
 
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But why would He do this?

Was He really silent on the matter all of those years while Moses and Elijah were with Him in heaven?

There's something else to this...

What did Moses really represent? What did Elijah really represent?

They spoke to Jesus. Why did they answer to Jesus?

Why did they disappear and Jesus was the only one left.

Where does truth and grace find their place in all of this?

The transfiguration was the preview of the glorious second coming of Christ.

In both accounts in the gospel, it was preceeded by Jesus saying 'there are some that standing here shall not taste of death, till they have seen the Son of Men coming in His kingdom.' Matt 17, Mark 9.

Moses and Elijah represented the people who will be with Him as the 2nd coming:
1. The dead and resurrected believers (Moses)
2. Alive and received unto Him (Elijah).
Also, the type of people defined in Rev 14:12 who keep the law (Moses) and have the spirit of prophecy (Elijah).
 
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The transfiguration was the preview of the glorious second coming of Christ.

In both accounts in the gospel, it was preceeded by Jesus saying 'there are some that standing here shall not taste of death, till they have seen the Son of Men coming in His kingdom.' Matt 17, Mark 9.

Moses and Elijah represented the people who will be with Him as the 2nd coming:
1. The dead and resurrected believers (Moses)
2. Alive and received unto Him (Elijah).
Also, the type of people defined in Rev 14:12 who keep the law (Moses) and have the spirit of prophecy (Elijah).

My conclusion on the matter is that Christ wasn't necessarily depicting the glory of the second coming in that Moses represented those who died in the faith and would be resurrected to eternal life, and Elijah represented those who would be transalted to eternal life.

Rather, the key to unlock the message that Christ was endeavoring to impart at the time lies in knowing what each one stood for. As you had stated, Moses stood for the Law, and Elijah stood for the Testimony of the Prophets.

It's interesting how both Moses and Elijah were pictured as answering to Christ. Thus the Law and the Testimony of the Prophets must always find agreement with, and meaning in the One who inspired them--God.

Also, because there were three, but then there was One (Jesus), this tells us that the Law and the Prophets find their fulfillment in Christ; and together they disclose the glory of God as they find their oneness in Jesus Christ. (Hint: They are not to be placed in separate tents.)

The fact that God then spoke and told those who witnessed this to listen to Jesus Christ tells us that we should not merely be looking to the Law and the Prophets as an answer to the sin problem, as many in the SDA church often do, but that we should be looking to Christ alone for salvation. For, only in Him will we find eternal life. In fact, Jesus addressed this issue when He had said, "You search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life, and these are they which testify of me."

In other words, it's not by works alone, or some intellectual ascent to the truth that we obtain salvation; rather, it's by allowing the glory of Christ's righteousness to absorb our being so that we may become one with Him, thus finding eternal life in His character. The result is that when people look to us, they won't see us; rather, they will see the glory of Christ's righteousness shining as bright as the morning star!
 
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My conclusion on the matter is that Christ wasn't necessarily depicting the glory of the second coming in that Moses represented those who died in the faith and would be resurrected to eternal life, and Elijah represented those who would be transalted to eternal life.

Rather, the key to unlock the message that Christ was endeavoring to impart at the time lies in knowing what each one stood for. As you had stated, Moses stood for the Law, and Elijah stood for the Testimony of the Prophets.

It's interesting how both Moses and Elijah were pictured as answering to Christ. Thus the Law and the Testimony of the Prophets must always find agreement with, and meaning in the One who inspired them--God.

Also, because there were three, but then there was One (Jesus), this tells us that the Law and the Prophets find their fulfillment in Christ; and together they disclose the glory of God as they find their oneness in Jesus Christ. (Hint: They are not to be placed in separate tents.)

The fact that God then spoke and told those who witnessed this to listen to Jesus Christ tells us that we should not merely be looking to the Law and the Prophets as an answer to the sin problem, as many in the SDA church often do, but that we should be looking to Christ alone for salvation. For, only in Him will we find eternal life. In fact, Jesus addressed this issue when He had said, "You search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life, and these are they which testify of me."

In other words, it's not by works alone, or some intellectual ascent to the truth that we obtain salvation; rather, it's by allowing the glory of Christ's righteousness to absorb our being so that we may become one with Him, thus finding eternal life in His character. The result is that when people look to us, they won't see us; rather, they will see the glory of Christ's righteousness shining as bright as the morning star!

Well the law and the prophet are the whole Word of God which testifies Jesus Christ. I'm not sure what it means to focus on Jesus but not on the law or the prophets.

That sounds suspiciously like the new doctrines.
 
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Well the law and the prophet are the whole Word of God which testifies Jesus Christ. I'm not sure what it means to focus on Jesus but not on the law or the prophets.

That sounds suspiciously like the new doctrines.

But the law and the prophets aren't God...

You don't think it's possible to know the law and the prophets, and yet miss Jesus altogether?
 
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But the law and the prophets aren't God...

You don't think it's possible to know the law and the prophets, and yet miss Jesus altogether?

The jews only knew the law. That's why they missed Jesus. But if we know both the law and prophet which are our whole faith, we can not fail. Of course by the spirit as the pre-condition.
 
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The jews only knew the law. That's why they missed Jesus. But if we know both the law and prophet which are our whole faith, we can not fail. Of course by the spirit as the pre-condition.

There are plenty of adept theologians today who know both the law and the prophets, and yet, they don't know Jesus.

Why do you suppose that is?

John 5:39
 
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There are plenty of adept theologians today who know both the law and the prophets, and yet, they don't know Jesus.

Why do you suppose that is?

John 5:39

Yeah, I understand what you are saying. To know what the bible teaches doesn't save us. That's fine.

To lay aside (not to focus so much so) the scriptures, but to focus on Jesus. That's ecumenism.
 
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Yeah, I understand what you are saying. To know what the bible teaches doesn't save us. That's fine.

To lay aside (not to focus so much so) the scriptures, but to focus on Jesus. That's ecumenism.

Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets. Moreover, He is the originator of them. Therefore, you could never spend too much time looking to Jesus.

Furthermore, you can know the law and the prophets without knowing Jesus. But you really can't know Jesus without knowing Love.

You see, you have the same problem that Peter had. You are trying to put them (the law and the prophets) in tents, when they are to be tabernacled together in Christ's love.
 
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