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The scripture I provided clearly tells you how he is detected. Whereupon you claim the inability to understand plainly written English. In short, yu are cunningly deploying whatis called Invincible Ignorance.


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Your accusation that I am merely providing assertions is strawman. Why? Simple. Because The use of logic in order to reach a logical conclusion is not the provision of mere assertions.
Your attempt to disqualify cogent reasoning as a means to reach logical conclusions is a very unscientific concept. In fact, it strikes at the very basis of what science is all about and raises serious questions about your knowledge concerning the exigencies of scientific methodology..
 
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The scripture I provided clearly tells you how he is detected.

Really?

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse

I don't see a description here on how it can be detected. It merely declares it to be so.
Please EXPLAIN how I can detect it. How I can verify it, without first believing it.

Whereupon you claim the inability to understand plainly written English.


That sentence does not describe a way on how it can be detected / verified. It merely declares it to be so. It merely declares that it was "clearly seen". It doesn't explain AT ALL, how this was seen and how the conclusion was formed and how it can be verified.

Your accusation that I am merely providing assertions is strawman. Why? Simple. Because The use of logic in order to reach a logical conclusion is not the provision of mere assertions.

It is, if the premises are mere assertions without support.

Your argument amounts to no more or less then a series of declarations / assertions, followed by a conclusion that assumes these declarations / assertions to be true.

Ever heared of GIGO? It stands for "Garbage In, Garbage out".

Your attempt to disqualify cogent reasoning as a means to reach logical conclusions is a very unscientific concept.

Answering a question that asks for an explanation by quoting a single verse from a bronze-age religious book, is the very opposite of "reasoning" and being "scientific".

In fact, it strikes at the very basis of what science is all about and raises serious questions about your knowledge concerning the exigencies of scientific methodology..

Science is about providing models that make predictions which can be independently and objectively tested / verified.

That's what I asked for.
And you gave me a bible verse..........


But *I* am the one who's being "unscientific", huh?
 
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Yes you are being unscientific because the scientific method demands rational thought patterns involving indicative leaps leading to the formulation of a deductive premise and the derived conclusions and you are obviously averse to that whole process. The scripture is telling you, as a supposedly rational human being, that the evidence of design is so compelling that you have absolutely no excuse to be claiming inability to see it and not make that inductive leap.

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The basic problem with your supposed rebuttal is that is demands an assumption of inconsistency of policy. Once you assume an inconsistency of policy you are using fallacious reasoning. Please note that fallacious reasoning is the antithesis of the scientific method which demands rationality. Discarding rationality constitutes the rejection of the scientific method and raises serious doubts on whether the person using it doesn't really know what the scientific method is really all about but is merely using it as a mantra. Or if the person really knows what the scientific method requires, then it raises questions about an intentional malicious effort at quackery.

The compelling truth is that you cannot be both a scientist and be a proponent of irrationality. They are mutually exclusive and anyone proposing such and absurdity opens himself up to the two suspicions I just described above.
 
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In what kind of universe does copy pasting a bible verse fall under "rational thought patterns"?


The scripture is telling you, as a supposedly rational human being, that the evidence of design is so compelling that you have absolutely no excuse to be claiming inability to see it and not make that inductive leap.

I don't care what your religious scripture says and claims.

I don't care about claims, full stop.
You are basically saying "it is obvious" in response to my question.

Obviously, it is not obvious or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Also, if it is that obvious, it should be easy for you to show how it is correct, instead of merely declaring it to be so.

You are welcome to try again.

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The basic problem with your supposed rebuttal

What "rebuttal"? There is nothing to refute....

I asked you to explain your claims, not to merely repeat them.

Discarding rationality constitutes the rejection of the scientific method

In which universe is it scientific to merely copy paste a bible quote and just declare "design is obvious!!!"?



Or if the person really knows what the scientific method requires, then it raises questions about an intentional malicious effort at quackery.

The scientific method requires models that make predictions which can be independently and objectively tested and verified.

Copy pasting a bible quote which merely declares "design is obvious!!!", is not such a model. I asked for this model. In response, you just repeated your claims using different words.

Try again.

The compelling truth is that you cannot be both a scientist and be a proponent of irrationality. They are mutually exclusive and anyone proposing such and absurdity opens himself up to the two suspicions I just described above.

Newsflash: bible quotes aren't scientific models.
 
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Men forgot GOD and went out to make a name for themselves thinking that by the constructs of their own hands they could somehow build for themselves a tower(a way) into the PRESENCE of GOD

and GOD confused the language and scattered

Knowing full well that HE HIMSELF would gather and is, even now gathering in the BODY of HIS SON

For THE SON alone is building A HOUSE for GOD and is as a SON over HIS FATHER's HOISE and faithful in all HIS FATHER's possessions.


GOD is "marrying" to HIMSELF children through the BODY of HIS SON. And THE SON alone will present back to HIS FATHER...HIS BRIDE
 
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