The Toronto Blessing dog leash video...where is it from?

[Prizm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CjAKq5Okf8

So most people here would have seen this footage by now (well ok, this video is a funny version of it), but I'm really interested in finding more information on this church.

In the original video, a lady says "They think Toronto's something, wait till they come to Boston!". Does anyone know anything about this Boston church? Who was the pastor? What was preached that made them decide to act like animals? The whole era of the Toronto Blessing and Pensacola Outpouring had some weird manifestations, but this one church seems to have been the weirdest.

I'd love some more information.

 

[Moriah Ruth 777]

I have seen some wierd things myself at the Toronto Blessing and some of it was not of God. Some of it is the person themselves and others if you watch carefully you will see demons manifesting. And one needs to listen very closely to what is being stated over the pulpit to get to that point. However there are some that are of the Holy Spirit. This is here the gift of discerning of spirits come in handy. I had stopped going to this group as it was making me feel very uncomfortable.

Moriah Ruth

 

[jamadan]

I have seen some wierd things myself at the Toronto Blessing and some of it was not of God. Some of it is the person themselves and others if you watch carefully you will see demons manifesting. And one needs to listen very closely to what is being stated over the pulpit to get to that point. However there are some that are of the Holy Spirit. This is here the gift of discerning of spirits come in handy. I had stopped going to this group as it was making me feel very uncomfortable.

Moriah Ruth

Yep - given a stage, both demons and the flesh love to perform. That was John Wimber's message to Toronto. It's a shame they didn't listen.

 

[Child of JC]

Yep - given a stage, both demons and the flesh love to perform. That was John Wimber's message to Toronto. It's a shame they didn't listen.

There's a "stage" in every church.
TACF did/ does a great job leading people to Christ. They made known the Father's heart. I don't understand what more is expected. If people choose to act like they know God instead of actually seeking Him, what can the leadership do about that? We each must choose for ourselves who we serve, no church can do that for us.

I've been to TACF a few times through out the years. They did not choose the performance over the Spirit. They minister and worship in Spirit and in truth.

 

[hopeinGod]

The most obvious infection in these sort of groups is that the people major on minors. Manifestations above true spiritual growth, for instance. All of these groups are growths off the WOF tree, as their doctrines are very much in line with all the same lies. The prosperity gospel and the you-can-lose-your-salvation errors are a big part of all of them.

 

[PinkSapphire007]

so you people realize, that they don't hold meetings like that? and haven't in YEARS?? why bring it up? who cares? move on....for Pete's sake. SO ridiculous

 

[Lilly Owl]

The origin of the "Toronto Blessings" is described here.

Calling the last part of the footage in that video, 'dog leash', is simply an attempt to discredit the Charismatic Pentecostal's behavior in church, simply because it was filmed in the 90's and prior to wireless microphones. So that the cord of the mic happened to glance across the man's neck who is crawling on all 4's. It's not that he's being used as a dog, or being made to walk as a dog.
He's in the spirit.
And it's an attack on the Pentecostal movement, the whole video, to imply anything more about it.

 

[Messy]

I've been there I think 5 or 6 times. One thing that was a pity is they don't test things so much. I've also seen video's, they started a church for divorced people, because they both were divorced and felt not welcome in church. God lives with the broken hearted. You can say what you want about manifestations, flesh, demons, whatever, but this move was from God and we're experiencing it now here, but well I don't know if the leaders experienced what we experience now, the Father's love, it was certainly good in Toronto, but I personally have never experienced this. Think you have to get to a place of total desperation to get there.

 

[lismore]

so you people realize, that they don't hold meetings like that? and haven't in YEARS??

Hello Pink.

Meetings like that are still held. A relative told me of his experience last year.

 

[PinkSapphire007]

they dont' have every day meetings like they used to. it is more conferences now...as one that lives 45 minutes away. and the point was, why bring it up? for more mocking? more making fun? I think Lilly Owl is right. there is NO point in this video.

 

[Prizm]

Thanks for the replies! Though unfortunately the identity of this church is still a mystery.

so you people realize, that they don't hold meetings like that? and haven't in YEARS?? why bring it up? who cares? move on....for Pete's sake. SO ridiculous

I care, I'm interested in more information about this church. I'm not fussed whether people think it's from God or not.

Calling the last part of the footage in that video, 'dog leash', is simply an attempt to discredit the Charismatic Pentecostal's behavior in church, simply because it was filmed in the 90's and prior to wireless microphones. So that the cord of the mic happened to glance across the man's neck who is crawling on all 4's. It's not that he's being used as a dog, or being made to walk as a dog.
He's in the spirit.
And it's an attack on the Pentecostal movement, the whole video, to imply anything more about it.

I'm not sure if you've seen the original video, which I will link below. The man is clearly on a leash, and he's being 'walked' by someone. If you look closely, there is also someone else on a leash sitting in the aisle behind him. In the background, you can hear people mooing like cows and barking like dogs. Also one lady gets up and howls in the microphone like a wolf.

I don't care whether people are for or against this footage, it was such a controversial piece at the time that I'm interested in where it came from (I'm well aware of the Toronto Blessing and Pensacola Outpouring). Anyone know why people would act like animals in some of these meetings?

You can see the original footage here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCeVZ6e2T0E

 

[hopeinGod]

so you people realize, that they don't hold meetings like that? and haven't in YEARS?? why bring it up? who cares? move on....for Pete's sake. SO ridiculous

You're certainly out of touch. The church goes a bit farther regionally than the U.S. Try looking, for instance, in Latin American countries. That idiocy is still being propogated enmasse.

 

[Child of JC]

Anyone know why people would act like animals in some of these meetings?

Some are legitimate prophetic acts. For example, crowing like a rooster: God has said "it's a wake up call for my church". Dog bark: Jesus is at the door.

Some people can't accept that our God would do "foolish" things like this. But didn't He ask Hosea to marry a prostitute? Imagine if your pastor married a prostitute? Talk about church split! Or if your pastor lay on his side for a few years naked and cooked using his own dung? Would that congregation grow? We need to be careful when we say something is not God; sometimes it is God and we just don't want it to be.
Know Him. Ask Him. Listen to Him. We can't listen to others describe how He tastes, we must taste for ourselves.

 

[jamadan]

There's a "stage" in every church.
TACF did/ does a great job leading people to Christ. They made known the Father's heart. I don't understand what more is expected. If people choose to act like they know God instead of actually seeking Him, what can the leadership do about that? We each must choose for ourselves who we serve, no church can do that for us.

I've been to TACF a few times through out the years. They did not choose the performance over the Spirit. They minister and worship in Spirit and in truth.

They actually did choose to allow the stage years ago, and it led to lots of problems. They were in the Vineyard fellowship. The head of Vineyard, John Wimber, confronted Arnott telling him things were getting out of control with too many fleshly manifestations, particularly the animal-like ones. Arnott even included a chapter encouraging it in his book. Arnott had asked Wimber for his endorsement of the book. Wimber said he would agree to endorse the book if Arnott agreed to remove the chapter on the animal manifestations and agree to reign in the excessive flesh (to take away the stage). Arnott agreed and published his book fully endorsed by Wimber, BUT he did NOT remove the chapter as agreed and he did not take away the stage as he promised. So he lied and deceived his elder and his movement. The Vineyard responded by kicking them out. The stage grew even bigger and the manifestations more bizarre.

I used to fully support the early days of TACF. After this occurred, i lost all respect for Arnott and I warn people to stay away from the TACF.

 

[MikeBigg]

Thanks for the replies! Though unfortunately the identity of this church is still a mystery.

The church in Toronto was TACF - The Airport Christian Fellowship.

It is now Catch the Fire - Catch The Fire > Home

Mike

 

[jamadan]

I'd like to add that Kilpatrick and the Brownsville leadership team eventually came up with a nice way of managing the stage. If someone started manifesting in an apparent fleshly way that was drawing all attention to themselves, they would gently direct and lead the person to a nearby room where they could manifest to their hearts content. That's the kind of leadership Wimber was expecting Arnott to be able to implement. Not to shut everything down, but to act responsibly and not give a forum for attention-seekers and potentially demonic distractions.

 

[MikeBigg]

I'm not sure if you've seen the original video, which I will link below. The man is clearly on a leash, and he's being 'walked' by someone. If you look closely, there is also someone else on a leash sitting in the aisle behind him.

There was a man on a leash - some people I know visited TACF back then and the first thiing they saw when they walked in was the guy on the leash on all fours.

What is not known is whether this was part of the Toronto blessing or this couple's life-style choice. There is no indication that it was done in response to anything specific in the meeting.

So we can't say, from that video, that it was an accepted part of "the blessing".

Child of JC has pointed out that animal noises can be prophetic. I have been in meetings where people have got down on all fours and roared like a lion. This is not them thinking they are a lion, but a prophetic reference to Jesus who is known as the Lion of Judah.

 

[PinkSapphire007]

the church is doing great. It has several satellite churches in the area also doing well! I am glad that things have moved on from the 'early' days of revival. it amazes me that people still bring up things that have been dealt with, and also, have been explained, but chose to ignore that. So, again, I ask, why is it important to start a thread on this?

 

[RisingSpirit]

When you bounce long enough and at the same time produced a certain mindset, The gel like brain in the bowl like skull produces a electrical flow. Over a short time, this flow circulates and then causes movement like you see in the film. It's a simple human behaviour that happens when you do things in a certain order with a certain mindset and in a little while the body reacts and even cause the tongue move like other parts of the body. Doing this during worship could be acceptable since it's natural and a form of human expression but done in a church environment making it look like either done in the spirit of God or the spirit of the Devil. Both are the same when this natural human event happens. It's either a good guy doing it or a bad guy doing it. If he is a good guy then many would say it's a good spirit and if a bad guy is doing it then many would say it's a bad spirit but this happens naturally to human bodies either way. This has been happening for thousands of years. In other words, God is always in believers and has nothing to do with Him producing it. Just an expression coming from humans towards God as instructed by the groups in the building.

 

[Child of JC]

Arnott had asked Wimber for his endorsement of the book. Wimber said he would agree to endorse the book if Arnott agreed to remove the chapter on the animal manifestations and agree to reign in the excessive flesh (to take away the stage). Arnott agreed and published his book fully endorsed by Wimber, BUT he did NOT remove the chapter as agreed

Hummm??
John Arnott believes the animal manifestations are from the Spirit. I heard him preach on the subject. So that's why he would not have taken it out of the book. (or put a stop to it in the church for that matter). I have a hard time believing he would deceive anyone- never mind deceive a man just to have his endorsement. You don't build a church and sustain revival for all those years by seeking the endorsements of men. God Himself endorsed the Arnott's and their ministry.
I dont' believe this story is the whole truth.