The Thrill of Being a Real Christian

All that means I'm not a real Christian.

yahj said:

If you were on trial for being a Christian, would be there be enough evidence to convict you?

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Hi yahj... Welcome to the forum. I see your from the Philippine Islands according to your bio. I have had the privilege of being there for a short military stint back in 1969.

I'm just going to respond to your first question about the evidence of our salvation. I have heard that quote back in the late 70s or early 80s. I have a Word/Faith teacher I listen to and watch quite often that may have originated and come up with it. His name is Andrew Wommack who is a great teacher of the Word here in the USA. I'm sure his ministry is being aired in your area also. Highly recommend!

Anyway, here is my short answer to the question. When I stand before God at the Judgment Seat of Christ, I won't need ANY of the many accomplishments, or ANY of the good works I may or may not have done for Christ. The evidence of my (being saved) doesn't come down to what of ANYTHING (except one) that I have done to receive Him into my life forever. It's ALL of what HE has done for me by the finished works of the cross of Jesus Christ as the ultimate sacrifice of taking my place as payment and punishment for my sin.

So yahi, here is my ONE thing I have done for the evidence of receiving Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior and become born-again into the family of God...

I "BELIEVE"... is the ONLY evidence I need (as a Christian) when I stand before Him and enter into His presence. If I should fail Him and become unfaithful to Him in any way, He remains faithful to me for I have this promise with Jesus as my lawyer who stands in the gap between me and God. Jesus is the bridge between us.

yahj said:

What is a real Christian?
A real Christian is a true believer of Jesus Christ, in His death, burial and resurrection, who has received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and then moves by the power of the Holy Spirit to begin to do the things Jesus said to do. A real Christian does the “stuff”.

What a real Christian will do?
On Mark 16:15 “He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.”

If you are a real Christian, you need to share the gospel, the word of God to others. Your age doesn’t matter, Your Profession doesn’t matter, Your Capability is doesn’t matter as long as you can preach and share it.

2 Timothy 1:7 says “For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and of sound mind. God gives you power to get job done, the love to motivate you, and a soundness of mind to know what to do and what to say at the right time in each place you go.

The Five Supernatural signs that a real Christian have.
Read “Mark 16:17-20”.

1. In His name you will cast out devils. Read “Mark 9:18-25”.

You can fight the way of devils by using His powerful name. You can rebuke and cast out works of the devils.

1. You will speak with new tongues. Read “Acts 2:4”.
2. Take up Serpent. The “Serpents” represent Satan. When you go places, God will give a divine communication system, a divine power to drive demons out of people, and also a divine authority to remove the power of Satan from regions.
3. If you drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt you. This means divine protection.
4. You will lay hands on the sick and they will recover.

Personal Questions:

1. If you were on trial for being a Christian, would be there be enough evidence to convict you?
2. How you can use your business, professions, talent to share the gospel?
3. Do you have the five supernatural signs of a real believer? If yes, how and when did you use it?

The Thrill of Being a Real Christian

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Welcome ,
I would not use the phrase real Christian ,for the same reason my friend hhodgson said.
But.. you have a good point that a person may have what we call fire insurance.
They at some point in life recieved Christ in their heart and confessed their salvation.
Yet their missing a great life here on earth ,by not receiving the fullness of the Gospel that God gave us.
Some confess their own afflictions so much they have more faith in the afflictions than the one who bore all our afflictions , Christ.
If we want to enter into the joy of God,first we must step out in faith and receive all the blessings and power He has given us in this world and the world to come,we are Sons of God and in the family of the hosts of Heavens.
That's for real and for us.
Thanks for the post it is uplifting to think on.

timewerx said:

All that means I'm not a real Christian.

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Sorry you feel that way.
Our confession directly impacts the outcome of our faith.

I know what your saying but.. as long as WE are in this world... For me CHRISTIAN is ..not a good word. Yet it does to me mean Christ like.. thats how I will always take it. But if asked.. I just have a relationship with God. "Christian" has a definition already. I am still on this walk aka race. And.. I already sit in heavenly places and can freely come boldly into the throne of GOD.. my Father.

now faith said:

But.. you have a good point that a person may have what we call fire insurance.

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That phrase comes from hell itself.
There is no such thing.
People think if they say a prayer get saved they have a get out of Hell card.
Sad truth, many don't and won't make it into heaven.
That kind of thinking is Most Dangerous
Blessings
FCJ

Fish Catcher Jim said:

That phrase comes from hell itself.
There is no such thing.
People think if they say a prayer get saved they have a get out of Hell card.
Sad truth, many don't and won't make it into heaven.
That kind of thinking is Most Dangerous
Blessings
FCJ

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Not for me or anyone else to Judge.

So God's Word would be the final authority:

John: 15. 1. I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

now faith said:

Not for me or anyone else to Judge.

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You are not being serious are you?
Not for you to judge what you believe or accept as Truth of God's Word?

That saying of Fire Insurance is from hell.
It's meant to distract Christians from God's Word and His Ways.

It's an insult and perverted thinking unto God's Gift of Salvation.
It's designed to get Christians away from obedience unto God's word and DECEIVE them into thinking no matter what they are good and are heaven bound. That is Deception and Dangerous way to live.

Then you add John 15:1-6
That is so opposed to what I am talking about with this thinking that getting saved is simply fire insurance.

If I totally missed what you were saying then I apologize big time.
Blessings
FCJ

Fish Catcher Jim said:

That phrase comes from hell itself. There is no such thing. People think if they say a prayer get saved they have a get out of Hell card. Sad truth, many don't and won't make it into heaven. That kind of thinking is Most Dangerous.
Blessings
FCJ

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Got this from (Charisma Magazine)... "At this point many of these "fire insurance Christians" may be thinking, "That's alright if I lose my reward because I'll still make it to heaven, and that's what's really important." (I'll be plain here and tell you that this is a loser's mentality. A wise man considers the afterlife and his eternal reward, but a fool does not.")

I must say that I also believe that fire insurance Christianity (for the MOST part) is extremely dangerous especially when it's being used as ONLY a "get-outta-hell-free-card." This concept has no real desire to be His (discipleship) and to make others disciples for Christ as well. Some look at it as a deceptive phony faith that claims to believe in Christ just to escape hell.

There are several dangers in this salvation concept thinking... that could eventually cause (some) to become lazy, lukewarm, double minded, and complacent... to name a few. Jesus said, "So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I will spew you out of My mouth!" Many translations use the word "vomit" as meaning puke. (Revelation 3:16).

With that being said, the Apostle Paul may shed some light on some of our thoughts about "fire insurance Christianity." I suppose one could find scriptures that could be taken either way... however, what he wrote to the Corinthian Church is pretty convincing if there foundation is based of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15
"For no one can lay any foundation other than what is being laid, which is (Jesus Christ). If anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each builder’s work will be plainly seen, for the Day of will make it clear, because it will be revealed by fire. And the fire will test what kind of work each has done. If what someone has built survives, he will receive a reward. If someone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss... but he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

We all know that the biblical view of salvation is conversion and be summarized down to sincerity of heart, not just the wording of a prayer.

hhodgson said:

[QUOTE="Fish Catcher Jim, post: 71320230, member: 374346" ]That phrase comes from hell itself. There is no such thing. People think if they say a prayer get saved they have a get out of Hell card. Sad truth, many don't and won't make it into heaven. That kind of thinking is Most Dangerous.
Blessings
FCJ

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Got this from (Charisma Magazine)... "At this point many of these "fire insurance Christians" may be thinking, "That's alright if I lose my reward because I'll still make it to heaven, and that's what's really important." (I'll be plain here and tell you that this is a loser's mentality. A wise man considers the afterlife and his eternal reward, but a fool does not.")

I must say that I also believe that fire insurance Christianity (for the MOST part) is extremely dangerous especially when it's being used as ONLY a "get-outta-hell-free-card." This concept has no real desire to be His (discipleship) and to make others disciples for Christ as well. Some look at it as a deceptive phony faith that claims to believe in Christ just to escape hell.

There are several dangers in this salvation concept thinking... that could eventually cause (some) to become lazy, lukewarm, double minded, and complacent... to name a few. Jesus said, "So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I will spew you out of My mouth!" Many translations use the word "vomit" as meaning puke. (Revelation 3:16).

With that being said, the Apostle Paul may shed some light on some of our thoughts about "fire insurance Christianity." I suppose one could find scriptures that could be taken either way... however, what he wrote to the Corinthian Church is pretty convincing if there foundation is based of Jesus Christ.

I Corinthians 3:11-15
"For no one can lay any foundation other than what is being laid, which is (Jesus Christ). If anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each builder’s work will be plainly seen, for the Day of will make it clear, because it will be revealed by fire. And the fire will test what kind of work each has done. If what someone has built survives, he will receive a reward. If someone’s work is
burned up, he will suffer loss... but he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

We all know that the biblical view of salvation is conversion and be summarized down to sincerity of heart, not just the wording of a prayer.


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Greetings Brother,
Have you ever read Kenneth Hagins book
I Believe in Visions? Awesome and powerful.
One in particularly is where the The Master talked to him for an hour and ahalf.
About how the evil spirits work. Where they talk about a pastors wife who ended up divorcing her husband and so on.

Brother if you have not read this, please do. It's an eye opener and will she'd much light on this always safely saved theory.

Lost my copy but I am going to get a pdf version soon.
It will blow wholes in many doctrines.
Blessings
FCJ

Fish Catcher Jim said:

Greetings Brother, Have you ever read Kenneth Hagins book I Believe in Visions? Awesome and powerful.

One in particularly is where the The Master talked to him for an hour and ahalf.
About how the evil spirits work. Where they talk about a pastors wife who ended up divorcing her husband and so on.

Brother if you have not read this, please do. It's an eye opener and will she'd much light on this always safely saved theory.

Lost my copy but I am going to get a pdf version soon. It will blow wholes in many doctrines.
Blessings
FCJ

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Not so much the book version. Have read some of Hagin's articles (over time) pertaining to his visions. Just saved a downloaded PDF of his book to be read later, when I find the time.
(enjoying being retired and being (very busy) doing virtually... nothing) can be extremely exhausting.

That's the first I've heard of the "always safely saved theory." Care to expound?

Fish Catcher Jim said:

Got this from (Charisma Magazine)... "At this point many of these "fire insurance Christians" may be thinking, "That's alright if I lose my reward because I'll still make it to heaven, and that's what's really important." (I'll be plain here and tell you that this is a loser's mentality. A wise man considers the afterlife and his eternal reward, but a fool does not.")

I must say that I also believe that fire insurance Christianity (for the MOST part) is extremely dangerous especially when it's being used as ONLY a "get-outta-hell-free-card." This concept has no real desire to be His (discipleship) and to make others disciples for Christ as well. Some look at it as a deceptive phony faith that claims to believe in Christ just to escape hell.

There are several dangers in this salvation concept thinking... that could eventually cause (some) to become lazy, lukewarm, double minded, and complacent... to name a few. Jesus said, "So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I will spew you out of My mouth!" Many translations use the word "vomit" as meaning puke. (Revelation 3:16).

With that being said, the Apostle Paul may shed some light on some of our thoughts about "fire insurance Christianity." I suppose one could find scriptures that could be taken either way... however, what he wrote to the Corinthian Church is pretty convincing if there foundation is based of Jesus Christ.

I Corinthians 3:11-15
"For no one can lay any foundation other than what is being laid, which is (Jesus Christ). If anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each builder’s work will be plainly seen, for the Day of will make it clear, because it will be revealed by fire. And the fire will test what kind of work each has done. If what someone has built survives, he will receive a reward. If someone’s work is
burned up, he will suffer loss... but he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

We all know that the biblical view of salvation is conversion and be summarized down to sincerity of heart, not just the wording of a prayer.

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Greetings Brother,
Have you ever read Kenneth Hagins book
I Believe in Visions? Awesome and powerful.
One in particularly is where the The Master talked to him for an hour and ahalf.
About how the evil spirits work. Where they talk about a pastors wife who ended up divorcing her husband and so on.

Brother if you have not read this, please do. It's an eye opener and will she'd much light on this always safely saved theory.

Lost my copy but I am going to get a pdf version soon.
It will blow wholes in many doctrines.
Blessings
FCJ[/QUOTE]

Fish Catcher to respond to your question are you serious?

I do not think anyone takes the term Fire Insurance seriously.
It is a conversational euphemism that describes others as lazy or having a lack of spiritual knowledge.
It describes a person who believes attending Church on Easter and special occasions,such as by weeks of their favorite team, or Rainey days the golf course is closed.
There is a opposite direction some people take, it's called charging Hell with a water pistol.
This person believes His theology is strictly from the Bible,even if He uses 3 translations and personal interptation to make it fit.
All other Churches but his Church are wrong.
His commission is to rightly divide His word,and preach his gospel to everyone.
Another euphemism that describes some folks is the pew Parrott.
This fine bird sits in the front row,will bite if anyone sits in his seat,and barks amen to everything the Preacher says.
The Preacher could say anything and the Parrott would not open his Bible,to see for himself what he is being told.
His wittness outside and inside the Church, is always started by saying my Pastor says..
Most likely there are more examples out there,but spotting them is easy enough.

Oh I almost forgot two other characters.
The cafeteria Christian,and the country club Christian.
They seen alike but differ in motive.
The cafeteria Christian is a Christian who picks what he likes to hear from the Bible,and leaves the parts that do not fit his lifestyle.
I will generalize for example.
Let's say the cafeteria Christian wants to excuse himself from being obedient in some way.
He can change the interptation like a pro to leave a passage in Schripture for someone else.
With a big smile he walks out of Church being justified in anything he wants to do.
The country club Christian gets involved in all the social networks he can.
He takes the pastor golfing,He invites the head Deacon out for Dinner.
He loves to show off his perfect home his surgery altered wife,and his smiling Children on meds to calm them down while he networks.
Yes of all of them he is a parasite,but a good observer of human nature.
His only motive for Church is promoting a multilevel scheme, or a real estate deal ,possibly a financial planner.
Most of these beast you can find in upscale subdivisions with a shallow upscale church to go with it,as well they thrive in this environment, so often upscale churches near the upscale hoods are infested with business card carrying country club christians.

now faith said:

Fish Catcher to respond to your question are you serious?

I do not think anyone takes the term Fire Insurance seriously.

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Greetings @now faith ,
You need to get out more and venture around this forum. Lol.

I had a guy in here get really rude because I would not accept his thinking as truth.
He claims that after being born again we don't have flesh to deal with even though he wrote in the flesh much.

He insist if he sins it's no big deal because it's already been paid for.
He insist he has no need to be on guard for the trickery of the devil because he has peace with God and on and on and on.

Had others try and make me believe that God will not allow you to go to hell no matter how you live and many feel that you get out because you got religion or Christ when he'll is thrown into the fire.

There are so many people even in this forum that belief if they got born again then they are safe from hell and can do what ever they please and live any way they want and it's all good because Christ Already paid their dept.

There is so much foolishness and doctrine of demons being pushed as Christianity.
It's sad
Blessings
FCJ