The Third Seal may be imminent

3 Resurrections · May 17, 2022

Jamdoc said:
I refuse to even consider a preterist view on this, because this world still has death and sin, and the fulfillment of revelation results in the end of both.

The end of Revelation pictures the New Jerusalem which still has the presence of wicked people performing evil just outside the open gates of the city (Revelation 22:15). Sin is still being committed in this scenario. It is only inside the walls of the New Jerusalem where sin is not imputed because those within those New Jerusalem walls are covered by Christ's righteousness. Death was annulled for these who are "in Christ", and they have eternal life, and will not come into condemnation because they have passed from death unto life.

Skye1300 · May 17, 2022

grafted branch said:
Hi Jeff, have you ever looked at the reasons why the 3rd seal may not be referring to famine?

Here is some information on the nutritional value of wheat, barley, olive oil, and grape juice or wine (if grape juice is made into an alcoholic beverage the sugar is what is converted into alcohol). Serving size is 100 grams; all measurements are in grams except calories. Different web sites have slightly different values but they are all very close.

Nutritional value of wheat

Calories 340
Fat 2.5
Protein 13.2
Carbohydrate 72
Sugar .4

Nutritional value of barley

Calories 354
Fat 2.3
Protein 12.48
Carbohydrate 73.4
Sugar .82

Nutritional value of olive oil

Calories 881.5
Fat 103.7
Protein 0
Carbohydrate 0
Sugar 0

Nutritional value of grape juice

Calories 60
Fat .13
Protein .37
Carbohydrate 14.77
Sugar 14.2

Amount of nutrients needed per day for the average active adult male, amounts are less for women and children

Calories 2700 (easily obtained from olive oil)
Fat 88 (easily obtained from olive oil)
Protein 63 (would require 4.7 gallons of grape juice)
Carbohydrate 410 (would require less than 1 gallon of grape juice)
Sugar 37.5 (easily obtained from grape juice)

I Googled “which is more nutritious wheat or barley” and looked at foodstruct.com. This site had a very good break down of wheat vs barely. Based on 300 grams of product, vitamins and minerals are scored on how much the food fulfils a person’s daily need.

In vitamins Barley=27 Wheat=25.
In minerals Barley=52 Wheat=67.
In protein Barley=75% Wheat=82%.
In carbohydrates Barley=73% Wheat=71%.
In fat Barley=11% Wheat=11%.

According to many commentaries a measure of barley or wheat is about 1 quart or 907.2 grams (1 ounce = 28.35 grams). To be conservative let’s just call it 900 grams. If 1 measure is enough to feed 1 person for 1 day, then 900 grams of barley or wheat would give a little over the amount of calories needed, also an excess amount of minerals, protein, and carbohydrates, but not enough vitamins, fat, or sugar.

My first observation is that barley and wheat are so close to being equal nutritionally that if there was a famine and a person could purchase 3 times as much barley as they could wheat, most everyone would be purchasing barley. I am not sure why some commentaries state that barley is so much less nutritious than wheat, it’s just not true.

Second, all of the 5 basic nutritional needs can be easily obtained from grape juice and olive oil with the exception of protein (it would be physically impossible for most people to drink nearly 5 gallons of grape juice or wine per day due to the rate at which the kidneys can process).

If, as many commentaries suggest, a penny was a day’s wages for a laborer then a laborer could purchase 2700 grams of barley per day. That’s enough protein for 5.35 days if barley was the only source of protein. If a person would drink 1 gallon of grape juice per day, they would get about 13 grams of protein. That leaves 50 grams of protein a day needed from barley; which comes out to 400 grams of barley per day. That means that a day’s wages could buy enough barley to supply 6.75 days’ worth of protein. If instead of grape juice it was alcoholic wine, a person could let the alcohol along with some of the water evaporate away so they wouldn’t become alcoholics or have to consume as much sugar or liquid. If the grape juice or wine was reduced due to evaporation it’s easy to come up with 1 days’ work supplying the 3 measures of barley needed per person for 1 week.

If a laborer had a family of 5 people, including himself, and he was the only provider then he would perhaps have to work 4 days (women and children require less food) just for the barley to feed his family. This wouldn’t include the cost of the oil and wine. If he worked 6 days a week then they would probably be just barely getting enough food, depending on the cost of oil and wine. If however the wife or children were able to glean fields, make bread to sell, or some other economic activity (Aquila and Priscilla were both tent makers Acts 18:2-3 and Lydia was a seller of purple Acts 16:14) then they could very well be able to survive in the first century. From ancientcoinsforeducation.org it’s estimated that about 50% of income was spent on food in ancient Rome, the time when Revelation was written.

What are the reasons you think the 3rd seal represents famine?

These days, we could be in a famine and not know it. Just look at GMO "food" and processed "food" made to make people feel full but having very little to no nutritional value whatsoever. People could be overweight and malnourished with vitamin deficiencies. So famine may not even look like famine. When food is low, it can be filled in with chemical junk filler made to seem like food. So I wouldn't take a world wide famine off the table. A famine could be going on right now. Just think about how eating whole food plant based is considered extreme or unusual, but before this time period, whole food plant based was the ONLY way to eat. Now eating normal is strange or extreme. We might not even know there was a famine till the whole word started to try eating whole food plant based. Then we'd notice if there wasn't enough food for the demand. But right now everyone is so used to eating junk food and fake food that it could be hidden in plain sight. For all we know, the food industry could be pushing junk food and processed food on people to hide the fact that the food supply could be messed up from GMO food.

Jamdoc · May 17, 2022

grafted branch said:
Do you think it’s possible that Matthew 10:34-36 prefigures what will happen when the 2nd seal is opened? (The 4 horsemen undid the old covenant religious system to be replaced by the new covenant system). Or do you completely reject a preterist view ?

Completely and utterly reject preterism.
I do not accept this current sin and death rotten rock as the "New Heavens and New Earth"
if this is it, then God disappoints, and exaggerates His promises. I'd be unconsolably disappointed.

JSRG · May 17, 2022

Jamdoc said:
Completely and utterly reject preterism.
I do not accept this current sin and death rotten rock as the "New Heavens and New Earth"
if this is it, then God disappoints, and exaggerates His promises. I'd be unconsolably disappointed.

And neither do most preterists say we are in the New Heavens and New Earth. That's the viewpoint of full preterists, which as far as I can tell is a minority view among preterists. Partial preterists (who as far as I can tell are the majority of preterists) do not claim that.

Actually, the rules for this subforum ban the promotion of full preterism.

Jamdoc · May 17, 2022

JSRG said:
And neither do most preterists say we are in the New Heavens and New Earth. That's the viewpoint of full preterists, which as far as I can tell is a minority view among preterists. Partial preterists (who as far as I can tell are the majority of preterists) do not claim that.

Actually, the rules for this subforum ban the promotion of full preterism.

well the issue of partial is that Jesus said all the things would happen within a single generation, and included His second coming. I won't stretch that verse to make it mean "okay everything but the whole second coming part will be fulfilled before this generation passes"

but that goes outside of what the point of this thread was, which was warning people of what's coming in the future, not to debate
the thread wasn't 'when do you think the 3rd seal happens' it was never posed as a question or debate

Ligurian · May 17, 2022

3 Resurrections said:
If John was commissioned in Revelation 1:19 to write about past things, present things, and things "about to be hereafter", then this variation in timing can also be describing events included in the seals, trumpets, and vials as well.

There are even some very ancient past events described in Revelation's prophecies.

Ligurian said:
I'm a literalist, whenever possible. And I don't see any reason not to be literal, in this case. I need the definition of the words in the Bible, so I know what the Bible is talking about... literally.

Revelation 19:10 the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

propheteia = from prophetes("prophecy"); prediction (scriptural or other):--prophecy, prophesying. prophetes = from a compound of pro(before) and phemi(to show); a foreteller ("prophet")
marturia = from martus; evidence given (judicially or genitive case):--record, report, testimony, witness.

Please give me some idea (Chapter and Verse) for what you term "ancient past events described in Revelation"... thanks in advance.

3 Resurrections said:
If your perception is that prophecy is always predictive of the future, then you might be interested in 1 Chronicles 25:1-3 which describes some of King David's musicians who prophesied with harps, psalteries, and cymbals, specifically in order "to give thanks and to praise the Lord", and not to predict the future in this case. Meaning to "prophesy" is not always predicting the future.

1 Chronicles 25:1 And king David and the captains of the host appointed to their services the sons of Asaph and of Æman and of Idithun, prophesiers with harps and lutes and cymbals: and their number was according to their polls serving in their ministrations.LXX

Psalms for Asaph, 50 and 73-83; Psalms for Idithun, 39, 62, 77; Psalms for Æman, 88.

From the Septuagint:

Psalms 50, A Psalm for Asaph.
50:1 [3] God, our God, shall come manifestly, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall be kindled before Him, and round about Him there shall be a very great tempest. 4 He shall summon the heaven above and the earth, that He may judge His people.

Psalms 62, For the end, a Psalm of David for Idithun.
62:1 [11] God has spoken once, and I have heard these two things: that power is of God, 12 and mercy is Thine, O Lord, for Thou wilt recompense every one according to his works.

Psalms 75, For the end, Destroy not, a Psalm of a Song for Asaph.
75:1 [8] For there is a cup in the hand of the Lord, full of unmingled wine; and He has turned it from side to side but its dregs have not been wholly poured out, all the sinners of the earth shall drink them.

Psalms 77, For the end, for Idithun, a Psalm of Asaph.
77:1 [18] The voice of Thy thunder was abroad and around Thy lightnings appeared to the world, the earth trembled a quaked.

Psalms 78, A Psalm of instruction for Asaph.
78:1 Give heed, O My people, to My law: incline your ear to the words of My mouth. 2 I will open My mouth in parables: I will utter dark sayings which have been from the beginning. (Matthew 13:35)

Psalms 79, A Psalm for Asaph.
79:1 [9] Help us, O God our Saviour. For the glory of Thy name, O Lord, deliver us, and be merciful to our sins for Thy name’s sake. 10 Lest haply they should say among the heathen, Where is their God? and let the avenging of Thy servant’s blood that has been shed be known among the heathen before our eyes.

Psalms 82, A Psalm for Asaph.
82:1 [8] Arise, O God, judge the earth, for Thou shalt inherit all nations.

Psalms 83, A Song of a Psalm for Asaph.
83:1 2 For behold, Thine enemies have made a noise, and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head. 3 Against Thy people they have craftily imagined a device, and have taken counsel against Thy saints. 4 They have said, Come, and let us utterly destroy them out of the nation, and let the name of Israel be remembered no more at all.

3 Resurrections said:
I'll just list a few...

Revelation 13:18 - The 666-year-old history of the Sea Beast, as of the time John was writing Revelation. This Sea Beast according to Revelation 13:2 had the combined biographical features of Daniel's leopard empire (Greece), the bear empire (Medes and Persians), and the lion empire (Babylonian) . This Sea Beast had existed ever since 607 BC, (when the first Babylonian deportation of the Jews from Jerusalem took place), and it was still in existence in John's days under its then-current Roman phase.

Revelation 13:2 - Satan gave his seat (in the city of Pergamos according to Revelation 2:13) to the Sea Beast. This happened back in 133 BC when the dying king Attalus bequeathed to his ally, the Roman Republic, his entire Pergamos kingdom, including that famous Pergamos altar in the temple to Zeus, since he had no heir to whom he could pass the kingdom of Pergamos.

What you're calling a sea beast is no more than the waters upon which the woman sits, which are also called hills, and peoples. This would at least include the Meditteranean's shores... at most, it's world-wide.

And I'm doubting the features are biographical. They're just empires and the characteristics thereof. More and more, these things seem like oddities, to me.
Which is why I turned to Zacharias, and the four carpenters:
Egyptian captivity, Assyrian captivity, Babylonian captivity, Roman Captivity.
Rome's ancient ancestors were Greek; but with the empire, they became a bit of everything: spotted leopards--a mixture of races--implied and in fact. And Rome was all about captivity. At one point in time, they had a million Celtic slaves.

When the Book of Revelation was given to John, Asia was a Roman province, and Pergamos was it's seat... before Ephesus.

3 Resurrections said:
Revelation 20:4 - The millennium of Satan's binding for a literal thousand years was said to culminate with his release for a "short time" once that millennium had "expired". John warned the saints in Revelation 12:12 that Satan's "short time" had already begun back then with him being released on earth in great wrath. This meant that the literal thousand years had begun long before John was writing Revelation.

Revelation 6:10 - The souls under the altar pleading God's vengeance for their shed blood was the same as the "elect" pleading for God's vengeance back in Luke 18:7-8. Jesus said that when the Son of Man came, that these "elect" would be avenged "speedily", even though God had born their pleading for a long time before then. These included some martyrs from ancient times whose shed blood was to be avenged.

Some never seem to see that third woe staring them in the face in Revelation 12. Satan's still coming and going, before Michael's war in Heaven, from Daniel, is again, right there. And the woman in Revelation 12 is Isaiah's Heavenly Sion. And since Revelation 6:10 is from the hereafter verses... this can't be about long-ago saints... they're told to rest for a little season, they just got their robes, so they just got there.

Well... this was fun.

3 Resurrections · May 18, 2022

Ligurian said:
What you're calling a sea beast is no more than the waters upon which the woman sits, which are also called hills, and peoples.

The Scarlet Beast of Revelation 17 and the Sea Beast of Revelation 13 are two different beasts in Revelation. They have totally different origins, and although they share some similarities of features, there are some distinct, contradictory differences between them that make it impossible for them to be one and the same entity.

The Sea Beast of Revelation was the conglomerate mix of all Daniel's first three empires (represented by the leopard, bear, and lion features) which had ever held sway over the known world, and to which the Jews had been subject. Essentially, the Sea Beast was Daniels 4th beast which was said to be "dreadful and terrible", and unlike the other three empires - because it began as a Republic with a Senate - not a monarchy. All the powers of the other empires over time had been passed to the next one and had been subsumed into the last Sea Beast, which at the time John wrote was in its final Roman phase. The Sea Beast's biography had begun back under Nebuchadnezzar's lion kingdom and the first deportation of the Jews (like Daniel), and was presently still existing when John was writing Revelation, 666 years later down the road.

Ligurian said:
When the Book of Revelation was given to John, Asia was a Roman province, and Pergamos was it's seat... before Ephesus.

That's right, it was. And it was a Roman province because the entire Pergamos kingdom had been handed over to Rome in the will written by the last dying king of the Pergamos kingdom. The city of Pergamos's famous 40' tall altar in the temple of Zeus was where Antipas was martyred. This city with that altar was the "seat" or throne of Satan in that center of idol worship. Because that "seat" or throne of Satan in Pergamos was handed over to the Roman Republic in 133 BC, that proves that the Sea Beast was identified with Rome at the time John was writing, because Revelation 2:13 said that Satan gave that city of Pergamos to the Sea Beast.

Ligurian said:
Some never seem to see that third woe staring them in the face in Revelation 12

Not so. The third woe ends with the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, with rewards given to the saints and prophets, etc. Revelation 12 begins with a flashback to Christ's birth and His ascension to the Father on His resurrection day. That was the time when Satan and his angels were kicked out of heaven - when Christ's ascension and establishment as our Great High Priest forever annulled any charges for which Satan could accuse the brethren. That was when Satan's "short time" of being loosed on earth began - in AD 33. And John was warning the believers that Satan was then loosed in the world in great wrath (which means the literal thousand-year millennium was over in AD 33, because that "short time" of his release came when the millennium had expired).

Lots of ancient events referred to in Revelation. And as I said, they provided the backdrop which set the stage for events which were coming soon in John's days.

Ligurian said:
And since Revelation 6:10 is from the hereafter verses... this can't be about long-ago saints... they're told to rest for a little season, they just got their robes, so they just got there.

The white robes given to these souls under the altar was the righteousness of a glorified, resurrected body (like the Jewish Matthew 27:52-53 resurrected saints). These resurrected saints were told to wait (on earth) in those resurrected bodies. Their fellow-servants and their brethren were about to be killed (the "hereafter" part of the verse) just like they had been martyred in the past. Together, they would be taken to heaven at Christ's AD 70 return.

3 Resurrections · May 18, 2022

Jamdoc said:
I do not accept this current sin and death rotten rock as the "New Heavens and New Earth"
if this is it, then God disappoints, and exaggerates His promises. I'd be unconsolably disappointed.

You and many others mistake the conditions of the NHNE to be utopia on earth. Isaiah never described it as such, if you read the details he writes about the NHNE conditions in Isaiah 65:17-25. This present NHNE is just one incremental stage forward in God's plans to eventually purge all human evil out of this world entirely in the distant future. You may wish it were all done at once (wouldn't we all?), but that isn't how God works His plans over the span of history. We are the beneficiaries of His long-suffering with humanity's wicked tendencies.

This world is actually in a much better state now than when the fallen angels had corrupted all flesh on earth before the flood with hybrid angel / human progeny. And the "better promises" in place now under the NC are not to be dismissed so lightly.

Ligurian · May 24, 2022

Michael Collum said:
The thing is, the book of revelation even says "The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy" - this explains why there is so much confusion over this book, people see a prophecy and try to play fortune teller. However, that's not the central thesis. The thesis of the prophecy is not what happens, but the testimony of Jesus. If the understanding of the contents of the book of revelation do not amount to a testimony of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, then the blessing to those who understand is missed.

I'd rather just receive the blessing, than be struck with confusion like I used to.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
marturia = from martus; evidence given (judicially or genitive case):--record, report, testimony, witness.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the Truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth My voice.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth.

John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me but on Him that sent Me. ...[48] He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.[49] For I have not spoken of Myself: but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a Commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.[50] And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

Jesus' testimony to His Disciples turned their hearts to the Father who sent Him... this was His entire focus throughout the Gospel of the Reign of Heaven. Jesus' testimony of the Father is the spirit of prophecy. And this is the only way to escape the dreadful things happening in Revelation's Book of Prophecy.

Gregory Thompson · May 24, 2022

Ligurian said:
this is the only way to escape the dreadful things happening in Revelation's Book of Prophecy.

The sales pitch gospel doesn't really result in .. salvation ...

Ligurian · May 24, 2022

Ligurian said:
Some never seem to see that third woe staring them in the face in Revelation 12. Satan's still coming and going, before Michael's war in Heaven, from Daniel, is again, right there. And the woman in Revelation 12 is Isaiah's Heavenly Sion. And since Revelation 6:10 is from the hereafter verses... this can't be about long-ago saints... they're told to rest for a little season, they just got their robes, so they just got there.

Well... this was fun.

3 Resurrections said:
The Scarlet Beast of Revelation 17 and the Sea Beast of Revelation 13 are two different beasts in Revelation. They have totally different origins, and although they share some similarities of features, there are some distinct, contradictory differences between them that make it impossible for them to be one and the same entity.

The Sea Beast of Revelation was the conglomerate mix of all Daniel's first three empires (represented by the leopard, bear, and lion features) which had ever held sway over the known world, and to which the Jews had been subject. Essentially, the Sea Beast was Daniels 4th beast which was said to be "dreadful and terrible", and unlike the other three empires - because it began as a Republic with a Senate - not a monarchy. All the powers of the other empires over time had been passed to the next one and had been subsumed into the last Sea Beast, which at the time John wrote was in its final Roman phase. The Sea Beast's biography had begun back under Nebuchadnezzar's lion kingdom and the first deportation of the Jews (like Daniel), and was presently still existing when John was writing Revelation, 666 years later down the road.

That's right, it was. And it was a Roman province because the entire Pergamos kingdom had been handed over to Rome in the will written by the last dying king of the Pergamos kingdom. The city of Pergamos's famous 40' tall altar in the temple of Zeus was where Antipas was martyred. This city with that altar was the "seat" or throne of Satan in that center of idol worship. Because that "seat" or throne of Satan in Pergamos was handed over to the Roman Republic in 133 BC, that proves that the Sea Beast was identified with Rome at the time John was writing, because Revelation 2:13 said that Satan gave that city of Pergamos to the Sea Beast.

Not so. The third woe ends with the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18, with rewards given to the saints and prophets, etc. Revelation 12 begins with a flashback to Christ's birth and His ascension to the Father on His resurrection day. That was the time when Satan and his angels were kicked out of heaven - when Christ's ascension and establishment as our Great High Priest forever annulled any charges for which Satan could accuse the brethren. That was when Satan's "short time" of being loosed on earth began - in AD 33. And John was warning the believers that Satan was then loosed in the world in great wrath (which means the literal thousand-year millennium was over in AD 33, because that "short time" of his release came when the millennium had expired).

Lots of ancient events referred to in Revelation. And as I said, they provided the backdrop which set the stage for events which were coming soon in John's days.

The white robes given to these souls under the altar was the righteousness of a glorified, resurrected body (like the Jewish Matthew 27:52-53 resurrected saints). These resurrected saints were told to wait (on earth) in those resurrected bodies. Their fellow-servants and their brethren were about to be killed (the "hereafter" part of the verse) just like they had been martyred in the past. Together, they would be taken to heaven at Christ's AD 70 return.

I cannot discuss prophecy with you, when you think it's ancient history.

Ligurian · May 24, 2022

Ligurian said:
Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
marturia = from martus; evidence given (judicially or genitive case):--record, report, testimony, witness.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the Truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth My voice.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth.

John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

John 12:44-50 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me but on Him that sent Me. ...[48] He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.[49] For I have not spoken of Myself: but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a Commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.[50] And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.

Jesus' testimony to His Disciples turned their hearts to the Father who sent Him... this was His entire focus throughout the Gospel of the Reign of Heaven. Jesus' testimony of the Father is the spirit of prophecy. And this is the only way to escape the dreadful things happening in Revelation's Book of Prophecy.

Michael Collum said:
The sales pitch gospel doesn't really result in .. salvation ...

Never have I offered anything for sale; therefore, that mysterious sentence of yours requires some explanation.

Ligurian · May 24, 2022

Jamdoc said:
well the issue of partial is that Jesus said all the things would happen within a single generation, and included His second coming. I won't stretch that verse to make it mean "okay everything but the whole second coming part will be fulfilled before this generation passes"

but that goes outside of what the point of this thread was, which was warning people of what's coming in the future, not to debate
the thread wasn't 'when do you think the 3rd seal happens' it was never posed as a question or debate

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
genea = from genos = from ginomai (generate); "kin", nation, offspring, stock.
Matthew 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.

This is true of all the Galilee-based verses... it always means kinfolk.

Jeffwhosoever · May 24, 2022

Ukraine war: Global food shortages due to Russia's invasion 'could cause more deaths than war itself'

Jeffwhosoever · May 24, 2022

When you see secular news showing headlines like this, it is hard not to think the third seal is imminent.
Apocalypse now? The alarming effects of the global food crisis

Global famines of 'biblical proportions' will be caused by coronavirus pandemic, UN warns - CNN

Gregory Thompson · May 24, 2022

Ligurian said:
Never have I offered anything for sale; therefore, that mysterious sentence of yours requires some explanation.

When I read the sentence, "this is the only way to escape the dreadful things happening in Revelation's Book of Prophecy," it's very fearmongering and salesy.

It's applying sales theory to the communication of prophecy, though a financial transaction is not required in this case, I still don't buy it.

Jeffwhosoever · May 24, 2022

This is a thread on the 3rd seal. See the OP. Let's stay on track.

Hammster · May 24, 2022

Jeffwhosoever said:
When you see secular news showing headlines like this, it is hard not to think the third seal is imminent.
Apocalypse now? The alarming effects of the global food crisis

Global famines of 'biblical proportions' will be caused by coronavirus pandemic, UN warns - CNN

That is, unless you know your Bible and understand that it happened already.

Ligurian · May 24, 2022

Michael Collum said:
When I read the sentence, "this is the only way to escape the dreadful things happening in Revelation's Book of Prophecy," it's very fearmongering

Isaiah 30:9-14

Revelation 6:5-6 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.[6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Revelation 11:7-14 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them.

Gregory Thompson · May 24, 2022

Ligurian said:
Isaiah 30:9-14

Revelation 6:5-6 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.[6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Revelation 11:7-14 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them.

Since we've been advised that this conversation is off topic for the thread, I'll leave it at that.

God bless.

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