The Third Commandment...

Cribstyl said:

Yea I had a good great sabbath worship service yesterday. Women SDA preachers tend to stay on scriptures..

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Side track...

Interesting that you are all about doing what the scripture says, yet you are ok with women ordination... where does the Bible allow that? Is this woman preacher the husband of one wife? Or is she the head of an orderly household?

k4c said:

How can you call the heart of salvation a joke. It bothers you that someone would use the Lord's name because you love the Lord. This far surpasses the Law as a mean to righteousness in the eyes of God because it reveals a restored relationship and is the foundation of salvation.

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Can I buy a vowel?....I dont have clue what you/re talking about

EastCoastRemnant said:

Side track...

Interesting that you are all about doing what the scripture says, yet you are ok with women ordination... where does the Bible allow that? Is this woman preacher the husband of one wife? Or is she the head of an orderly household?

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We all have a lot to learn about what God will do.
I'm not sure if the speaker was a pastor somewhere but she was full of the annointing of the Holy Spirit. It was woman's day. I cant tell why this SDA church do_what_it_do.

It's irreverent. I don't expect people who are not Christians to show reverence to Christ, so it does not bother me generally when used by non-Christians.

ECR, the scriptures don't actually talk about anyone being "ordained". However, forbiding women to be ordained is something that came out of sexism in society as far back as biblical times when females we of lilttle value because being married to men to produce more male children. Also, ECR, rmember th Bible writers were highly influenced by their society, patriarchial society where, as I said women were or little value. So it was written in that vain. Sometimes we hve to also study the times in which the texts were written, especially if we are going to try to take the verses literally. Remember, the Bible is written by men who thought they were wrting only to men who could read within socieites where men were large and in charge.


So, a woman can be the wife of one husband, and taking into consideration these days and times of one parent households(for whatever the reason), she can, and many are are, heads of orderly households. Is it the ideal. No., but what is after the entry of sin into the earth? I have never heard it said that apreacher, elder, minister, deacon had to discontinue serving when their wife dies. if they divorce most are questioned and depending on the reason(it wasn't his fualt), then he is generally allowed to continue to serve.


While the Bible doesn't talk about ordaining anyone. we can find it in the Bible where God placed women in authoirty/spiritual authority. He chose Deborah to be judge over Israel, God was choosing the judges of Israel, right? He chose a woman. Miriam was a prophtess, and there were other women prophtess' So, God has no problem with women in authority and/or spiritual authority.


Your question should be why are some christians against it and mistakenly believing it is biblical to do so?


I can start it off by saying that man[society] expanded the command that women are to submit to their husbands to mean that they were to be submissive to all men[males]. That is not what the Bible says.

This is not the only or even the worst offense of discrimination that has been committed in the name of religion.

EastCoastRemnant said:

Side track...

Interesting that you are all about doing what the scripture says, yet you are ok with women ordination... where does the Bible allow that? Is this woman preacher the husband of one wife? Or is she the head of an orderly household?

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k4c said:

Would it bother you if someone you didn't know was talking bad about someone you did know?

Would you be bothered if someone stole your mother's car?

Romans 12:9 Don't just pretend that you love others: really love them. Hate what is wrong. Stand on the side of the good.

Just wondering...

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Dude.. :o:o:o

Princessdi said:

ECR, the scriptures don't actually talk about anyone being "ordained". However, forbiding women to be ordained is something that came out of sexism in society as far back as biblical times when females we of lilttle value because being married to men to produce more male children. Also, ECR, rmember th Bible writers were highly influenced by their society, patriarchial society where, as I said women were or little value. So it was written in that vain. Sometimes we hve to also study the times in which the texts were written, especially if we are going to try to take the verses literally. Remember, the Bible is written by men who thought they were wrting only to men who could read within socieites where men were large and in charge.


So, a woman can be the wife of one husband, and taking into consideration these days and times of one parent households(for whatever the reason), she can, and many are are, heads of orderly households. Is it the ideal. No., but what is after the entry of sin into the earth? I have never heard it said that apreacher, elder, minister, deacon had to discontinue serving when their wife dies. if they divorce most are questioned and depending on the reason(it wasn't his fualt), then he is generally allowed to continue to serve.


While the Bible doesn't talk about ordaining anyone. we can find it in the Bible where God placed women in authoirty/spiritual authority. He chose Deborah to be judge over Israel, God was choosing the judges of Israel, right? He chose a woman. Miriam was a prophtess, and there were other women prophtess' So, God has no problem with women in authority and/or spiritual authority.


Your question should be why are some christians against it and mistakenly believing it is biblical to do so?


I can start it off by saying that man[society] expanded the command that women are to submit to their husbands to mean that they were to be submissive to all men[males]. That is not what the Bible says.

This is not the only or even the worst offense of discrimination that has been committed in the name of religion.

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Unless we realize the unique roles men and women were created for and understand that there is a hierarchal flow to the blessings from God, we are going to get ourselves stuck in this sexism debate which is what Satan wants.

In Ephesians 5 it is clear the structure of the family..

Eph 5:22-28
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.


For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

To say that this was written because of chauvinism of the day would be to question all that was written by the apostles. Were the apostles homophobic that spoke against homosexuality? No, they were above reproach and were divinely inspired to write what they did. We cannot cherry pick the scriptures to suit our modern day, messed up view of things... God's way is always the best way, irregardless of what Satan wants to institute through his family destroying programs; feminism, chauvinism, homosexuality and general liberalism.

God gave women a very special role to play in the family that cannot be effectively switched up with men. What a lot of people seem to miss in the passage above is that men have a responsible role to their wives as well. The whole unit, under Gods divine instruction, imitates the relationship between the Father and the Son. The Father is the provider of all things while the Son was given the role of creation and was in charge of organizing and nurturing the created beings in Heaven... sound familiar?

We need to step off our indoctrinated soapboxes and look at things the way God wants them. Why do you think Satan is trying so hard to destroy the family unit? It's because it is a part of God's divine pattern that includes the eternal Law and the sanctuary message.

Yes, men have used the Bible for their own agenda's since it was first written but that doesn't mean that there isn't absolute truth that is the foundation. Many scoffers of the Bible use the violence of the OT to decry God as barbaric, or say that God allows polygamy... any number of imaginations of men can be brought against God's Word but for those who see its hidden gems and realize, through the Holy Spirits leading, that it is the character of the Father and the Son that is the foundation of it all. We, as sons and daughters of Heaven, need to see things as God sees them and live according to His commandments. Not because we have to, but because of our love of God, we must.

No, ECR, What I said was that society and christianity have both taken the text about wives submitting to their husbands(and thank you for posting it. Gives even more clarity to my point) in their relationships, and made it about ALL women submitting to ALL men, and that is not what the bible says. That was my point.

Women doing their part in the home has nothing to do with the fact that they might also have the call of ministry/pastoring from God. They can do both........remember Deborah. She did all that and judged Israel.....by God's own appointment. I don't see why this is a problem for people to see. For those who have further issues, read Proverb 31. She was nto a stay out home/traditional/June Cleaver wife/mother by no stretch of the imagination.