The Third Commandment...

[k4c]

How do you feel when TV shows and movies use the Lord's name in vain?

 

[taikachanz]

It's offensive, but then I rarely watch TV anymore and I am very chosy as to what, if any, movies I watch.

 

[k4c]

It's offensive, but then I rarely watch TV anymore and I am very chosy as to what, if any, movies I watch.

Thanks for your reply.

I notice there were 32 people who viewed this thread and only one posted.

I wonder how many of them can't answer this question without going against conscience even though they believe the Law is done away with? Hmmmm

 

[OntheDL]

How do you feel when TV shows and movies use the Lord's name in vain?

The commandment itself has little to do with what people say on TV, but has a lot to do with what people do while calling themselves Christian, thus 'use the Lord's name in vain'.

In the biblical language, the 'name' denotes character, reputation, heritage...

 

[taikachanz]

There is also more to "using the Lord's name in vain" then in the language we use. Doesn't a person who claims to be a Christian, a follower of Christ, take on the name of Christ? If that person takes on the name of Christ and does not act accordingly or is disobedient to his word taking his name in vain? These would be the same ones who say "Lord, Lord." in which the Lord responds "depart from me I never new you."

 

[Princessdi]

Good answer ODL and Taikachanz. Picking out words on movies and TV is far too easy. I don't believe God can be offended by those who don't claim Him. The 10C are "in house". it was given to God's people, the COI. Why we are surprised or offended by those who don't claim God is beyond me. Why are we expecting them to uhold our christian values?

The quickest answer is don't watch it. There is really so much out there that does cater to christian values in this age of 24 hours networks. It is simple, I don't watch what I find offensive.

 

[Stewartnz]

Good answer ODL and Taikachanz. Picking out words on movies and TV is far too easy. I don't believe God can be offended by those who don't claim Him. The 10C are "in house". it was given to God's people, the COI. Why we are surprised or offended by those who don't claim God is beyond me. Why are we expecting them to uphold our christian values?
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Very true. We should not expect Christian values from the world... "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can [it] be." Romans 8:7



Reminds me too, of the idea that the redeemed will reign with Christ for 1000 years over the unsaved nations of the earth. If this were true, then it is certain that they would not be willingly subject to God, and that for 1000 years they would have to be forced into subjection. Fortunately, the 1000 year reign has quite a different character.

 

[taikachanz]

Very true. We should not expect Christian values from the world... "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can [it] be." Romans 8:7



Reminds me too, of the idea that the redeemed will reign with Christ for 1000 years over the unsaved nations of the earth. If this were true, then it is certain that they would not be willingly subject to God, and that for 1000 years they would have to be forced into subjection. Fortunately, the 1000 year reign has quite a different character.

And who would want to rule over wicked people for 1000 years anyway.. uh.. can you imagine the frustration???

 

[Shrewsbury]

I heard a preacher once (not SDA), say that the reason that the Lord's name is taken in vain is because He is alive, whereas Buddha, Mohammed, and other religious "gods" are dead.

One way Satan tries to undermine the faith is by descensitising the world to things like using the Lord's name in vain, so that to the world it is no worse than saying some other word.

 

[taikachanz]

I find more and more when I hear someone using my savior's name derogetorially I wanna get up and smack the garbage out of 'em, but instead I end up saying a quick prayer, rather 2, one to claim me down and the other to pray for the offender.

 

[k4c]

The reason why I posted this very simple question was to prove a point. There are those who say the Law is done away with but those who are of God say the Law is written on the heart. So as a test, I posted this simple question.

How do you feel when TV shows and movies use the Lord's name in vain?

Why would anyone, whether Christian or not, have a problem with the Lord's name being used in vain if the Law is done away with? The only reasons would have to be is that the Law is either written on the heart or it's not written on the heart.

This very powerful, but simple question, reveals a hidden truth that can't be denied when provoked.

I'm not going to mention any names but I say all this to say this, stop being double minded and start standing for what is true...

 

[OntheDL]

Here is a biblical application of blaspheme the name of the Lord. Ellen White applied this to the Laodicean church.

Romans 2
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

 

[Stewartnz]

Here is a biblical application of blaspheme the name of the Lord. Ellen White applied this to the Laodicean church.

Romans 2
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

Perhaps the story of David and Bathsheba brings the principle a little closer to home.

"And Nathan said to David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme..." (2Sam 12:13-14)

When we live inconsistent lives [and people know that we profess Christianity], we may obtain forgiveness for the open sin, and 'recover', but the effect on others, and the shadow cast on the name of God, may not be cleared away so easily.

"...Hallowed be Thy name"

 

[Princessdi]

This is true Shrewbury, just as we are being desentitized to violence, drug abuse, or any other moral deficit. Cursing/cussing, used to be known as disrespect. When you used profanity, you were showing your displeasure in a most graphic(needlessly graphic as far as I am concerened) manner. You didn't speak that way in "mixed company"(in front of women. men did it amongst themselves), elder adults, and children were in danger of a good soap mouthwashing, or depending on the household, a good spanking. Now, parents curse at their children, children curse back. The entire family is together just a cursing........and it's ok.............sigh.........

I heard a preacher once (not SDA), say that the reason that the Lord's name is taken in vain is because He is alive, whereas Buddha, Mohammed, and other religious "gods" are dead.

One way Satan tries to undermine the faith is by descensitising the world to things like using the Lord's name in vain, so that to the world it is no worse than saying some other word.

 

[Princessdi]

You know, I don't know to whom you were referring, but i would like to answer your.....uh.....challange.

There are no posts that I see that are doubleminded. For example, I do not believe in cursing and definitely not taking the Lord's name in vain. However, I claim to be christian. I dont' erxpect that the name of the Lord or even the Lord Himself to honor Him or His Name because it does not have the same meaning for them, if any.

So, I don't watch programming where they take His Name in vain. i try to advoid shows with cursing period, because I believe it to be disrespectful. most people know this about me and i get the customary apology when they slip while talking to me. I am the only person over which I have even the least amount of control, and i can only do that by submitting my will to God....daily...sometime moment by moment.

I owuld like to say that this is also why i believe that we christians have done a horrible job of being true and effective witnesses for God. If we were giving an dliving by our testimonies as to what God has done for us, instead of being the "law" police, more people would keep that law, because they, like us would be keeping them through a love relationship with God. We want the to conform to the laws without relationship. That only makes legalistic Pharisees...............overly "concerned" with everyone else's ability to "keep" the law. OR what we akso have which is many folk who don't want to be bothered because it is just to difficult and the people who claim to be keeping the law are not at all living a life that is not as appealing as they claim.

Relationship, people. God wants, always wanted and will always want a rellationship with His Children, not the Borg.................i.e., mindless obedience. That was the purpose of free will, for us to "chose" Him willing.

The reason why I posted this very simple question was to prove a point. There are those who say the Law is done away with but those who are of God say the Law is written on the heart. So as a test, I posted this simple question.

How do you feel when TV shows and movies use the Lord's name in vain?

Why would anyone, whether Christian or not, have a problem with the Lord's name being used in vain if the Law is done away with? The only reasons would have to be is that the Law is either written on the heart or it's not written on the heart.

This very powerful, but simple question, reveals a hidden truth that can't be denied when provoked.

I'm not going to mention any names but I say all this to say this, stop being double minded and start standing for what is true...

 

[taikachanz]

You know, I don't know to whom you were referring, but i would like to answer your.....uh.....challange.

There are no posts that I see that are doubleminded. For example, I do not believe in cursing and definitely not taking the Lord's name in vain. However, I claim to be christian. I dont' erxpect that the name of the Lord or even the Lord Himself to honor Him or His Name because it does not have the same meaning for them, if any.

So, I don't watch programming where they take His Name in vain. i try to advoid shows with cursing period, because I believe it to be disrespectful. most people know this about me and i get the customary apology when they slip while talking to me. I am the only person over which I have even the least amount of control, and i can only do that by submitting my will to God....daily...sometime moment by moment.

I owuld like to say that this is also why i believe that we christians have done a horrible job of being true and effective witnesses for God. If we were giving an dliving by our testimonies as to what God has done for us, instead of being the "law" police, more people would keep that law, because they, like us would be keeping them through a love relationship with God. We want the to conform to the laws without relationship. That only makes legalistic Pharisees...............overly "concerned" with everyone else's ability to "keep" the law. OR what we akso have which is many folk who don't want to be bothered because it is just to difficult and the people who claim to be keeping the law are not at all living a life that is not as appealing as they claim.

Relationship, people. God wants, always wanted and will always want a rellationship with His Children, not the Borg.................i.e., mindless obedience. That was the purpose of free will, for us to "chose" Him willing.

I cannot speak for others, I can only speak for myself. I love God, I love Christ and therefore I love the law. The law did not nor does it save me, Jesus did that and that is why I submit myself to his will and his will is within his law. His law states, love your Lord your God with all your heart and with all your mind and with all your soul, and the next is to love your neighbor as your selve, upon these two commandments hang all the others. Those others are the ten that I stanchly defend and will defend to my dying day because in them is the love of God. It is true that many try to keep the law, but it is impossible to do so without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Paul tells us that we can do all things through Christ when we are strengthened by him. ALL THINGS, does that exclude the ten commandments? NO, we must bend to his will, some not so much as others and others until they reach a breaking point.

What you see in this forum, for the most part, are defenders of Christ defending their love of Christ. I for one find it offensive when someone that is not of the same opinion as myself tells me, without scriptural support, that I am wrong and refuses to diligently search the scriptures for themselves to find the truth for themselves. They rely on what others say, or what they are told to believe, or tradition. It's all hogwash. I don't try to shove the law down anybody's throat. I tell them of the love of God and let them take it from there, but I will not sit by and watch as my beliefs are trashed because of ignorance.

nough said

 

[k4c]

Princessdi;You know, I don't know to whom you were referring, but i would like to answer your.....uh.....challange.
There are no posts that I see that are doubleminded.

What I mean by being double minded is that some people here believe the Law is done away with and rejects the fact that it's now written on the heart yet they will be offended when people use the Lord's name in vain. To use the Lord's name in vain is a direct violation of the third commandment. If these people truely believe the Law is done away with and is not written on the heart then why make all the fuss over someone breaking third commandment? To me they are acting double mindedly.

 

[taikachanz]

What I mean by being double minded is that some people here believe the Law is done away with and rejects the fact that it's now written on the heart yet they will be offended when people use the Lord's name in vain. To use the Lord's name in vain is a direct violation of the third commandment. If these people truely believe the Law is done away with and is not written on the heart then why make all the fuss over someone breaking third commandment? To me they are acting double mindedly.

Anytime someone tries to explain away or make an excuse concerning any of the commandments they are being double minded. Saying they love the Lord but denying his power is being double minded.

 

[k4c]

Anytime someone tries to explain away or make an excuse concerning any of the commandments they are being double minded. Saying they love the Lord but denying his power is being double minded.

Amen...

There are many ways to be double minded, I was only using one, which is seen in the fact that the same people who say the Law is done away with and not written in the heart will be hurt when the Lord's name is used in vain. That's all I was pointing out but I'm sure there are many other ways that would qualify as being double minded.

 

[Cribstyl]

I find more and more when I hear someone using my savior's name derogetorially I wanna get up and smack the garbage out of 'em, but instead I end up saying a quick prayer, rather 2, one to claim me down and the other to pray for the offender.

Really? dont hold back, just tell us how you really feel.