The Ten Commandments stands for ever.

Elder 111 · Mar 26, 2010

Jesus Came to the point where He told Judas go and do what you will quickly, He knew that Judas would not change so He left Him alone. Judas then found out his mistake too late. I have to say that you will hold to the idea that the law is not but still will tell me I can not or should not sin. the two possition can exsist togethter, it is not common sense it is not logical. God bless.

bugkiller · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
No it was not aroused it was made known.

It appears that Frogster is fond of the NKJV. The NIV, NASB and ESV uses very similar wording.
Romans 7:5 (KJV)

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

I think the amplified versions is excellent here: When we were living in the flesh (mere physical lives), the sinful passions that were awakened and aroused up by [what] the Law [makes sin] were constantly operating in our natural powers (in our bodily organs, in the sensitive appetites and wills of the flesh), so that we bore fruit for death.

Here is the NCV: In the past, we were ruled by our sinful selves. The law made us want to do sinful things that controlled our bodies, so the things we did were bringing us death.

Here is the Young's Litteral: for when we were in the flesh, the passions of the sins, that [are] through the law, were working in our members, to bear fruit to the death;

The phrase 'motions of sins' is used in the KJV. Motions is from pathema which means an emotion or influence and work is energeo which means to be active.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
A man who drive within the speed limit does not need to be told that he is driving too fast.

No but tell me have you ever exceed the speed limit? The forbidden has huge lure. Plenty people are motivated by negative challenges. This has been used on me more than once.

bugkiller

Frogster · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
Not at all. The ten commandment was under the mercy seat where God sat. The rest was at the side. There were treated differencely. God wrote one Moses wrote the others. Are equating Moses with God?

Then Paul and James were wrong?
Gal 5;3,and james 2;10.

Look here..

gal 3;10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

and here..

7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.”

actually lets not forget 2 cor 3,that was in stone,is ended too....

Frogster · Mar 26, 2010

bugkiller said:
No but tell me have you ever exceed the speed limit? The forbidden has huge lure. Plenty people are motivated by negative challenges. This has been used on me more than once.

bugkiller

Frogster · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
So I am correct when I am saying that we do not need Christ once the law is abolished. For sin is by the law. Therefore the bible lies when it says all have sinned.

i see you cant refute the verses I posted,so now you are trying diversions.

It stands,,the power of sin is the law,it arouses sin too.So if u want to have sin dominate,just walk under law,the thing that was added to increase the trespass,rom 5;20

bugkiller · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
Nice Mosiac law not ten Commandments!

The ten commandments are referred to as the law often. Here is and example in Romans 7. Paul calls the law a dead husband and cites Adultery and coveting, both are in the ten commandments. There is no doubt that Paul is calling the ten commandments the law.

you say they were seperate and not part of the Mosaic law. RFLOL!

You would not know about them if they were not in the writings of the Book of the law. The Mosaic law is given to Moses by voice. The Mosaic is not Moses' doing.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
Not at all. The ten commandment was under the mercy seat where God sat. The rest was at the side. There were treated differencely. God wrote one Moses wrote the others. Are equating Moses with God?

Are you calling Moses a lair? Moses recorded that God said. How do you know what was on those stones? How do you know what God said? Bet it is cause Moses wrote it down. If you call into question that the rest of the law was given by God, you also must question the ten commandments.

bugkiller

Elder 111 · Mar 26, 2010

You have won a long time ago. There is no law I say ten commandments. None! The ten comandements are done away with. Let us now live to the Glory of God and let all the people know. This should stop us condemning all those public figures that have extra marital affairs, after all they are guilty of nothing. I can stand boldly before the thrown of grace and proclaim all men sinless and we have no need of Christ's salvation. we can not transgress for there is no law!!!!!!. Glory hallelujah amen.
Why did we not live in this freedom before. I have grace in aboundance to do as I please as long as I live. I live in the Spirit of God and no man can put me in boundage. I can steal and have forgiveness, oops, no I don't need that, forgot there is no law, sorry can't sin forgot. Well will get use to it. The law is a burden.
Bye

christianmomof3 · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
You have won a long time ago. There is no law I say ten commandments. None! The ten comandements are done away with. Let us now live to the Glory of God and let all the people know. This should stop us condemning all those public figures that have extra marital affairs, after all they are guilty of nothing. I can stand boldly before the thrown of grace and proclaim all men sinless and we have no need of Christ's salvation. we can not transgress for there is no law!!!!!!. Glory hallelujah amen.
Why did we not live in this freedom before. I have grace in aboundance to do as I please as long as I live. I live in the Spirit of God and no man can put me in boundage. I can steal and have forgiveness, oops, no I don't need that, forgot there is no law, sorry can't sin forgot. Well will get use to it. The law is a burden.
Bye

Wrong.
You are so not getting the point because you are so sure that the 10 commandments is the only thing that you refuse to look beyond it.
Romans ch. 8 and the NT does not mean that the law is nullified and we are free to sin and do whatever we please.
It means that the outward law of the OT has been replaced by the inward law of the Spirit of life which is a higher law - the highest law.
It does not mean that we are free to behave worse than under the law.
It means that we must follow even stricter standards from the living Lord Himself.
This law of divine life is shaping us and transforming us into God's image day by day.
This law of the Spirit of life is the indwelling Christ.
In Romans ch. 7 and 8 there are 4 laws.
The first law is the law of God, which is outside of man and is composed of all of the commandments and ordinances that God gave to the children of Israel.
The second law is the law of good in man's mind which strives to do good.
The third law is the law of sin and of death in man's flesh which keeps him from doing the good that he wishes to do.
And the fourth law is the law of the Spirit of life in a believer's spirit.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life has freed me in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and of death.
We must remain in contact with the Lord in order to allow the law of the Spirit of life to work spontaneously within us. Because we still have the law of sin and death in our flesh, we will often fail. The more that we pursue Christ and set our hearts on Him, the more that we will allow the law of the Spirit of life to work in us.
We must pray and turn our hearts to the Lord and contact Him and live in His presence. We must remain in fellowship with other Christians and set our minds on the Spirit. We can do this by reading His words. We must put to death the practices of our body which may include things like watching inappropriate things on the tv or internet or doing other inappropriate things. We must love the Lord, cry out to Him and seek Him constantly.
Then we will be constrained by the love of Christ.

Frogster · Mar 26, 2010

Elder 111 said:
You have won a long time ago. There is no law I say ten commandments. None! The ten comandements are done away with. Let us now live to the Glory of God and let all the people know. This should stop us condemning all those public figures that have extra marital affairs, after all they are guilty of nothing. I can stand boldly before the thrown of grace and proclaim all men sinless and we have no need of Christ's salvation. we can not transgress for there is no law!!!!!!. Glory hallelujah amen.
Why did we not live in this freedom before. I have grace in aboundance to do as I please as long as I live. I live in the Spirit of God and no man can put me in boundage. I can steal and have forgiveness, oops, no I don't need that, forgot there is no law, sorry can't sin forgot. Well will get use to it. The law is a burden.
Bye

ummm..did the law stop Paul from lusting in 7?

bugkiller · Mar 27, 2010

Elder 111 said:
You have won a long time ago. There is no law I say ten commandments. None! The ten comandements are done away with. Let us now live to the Glory of God and let all the people know. This should stop us condemning all those public figures that have extra marital affairs, after all they are guilty of nothing. I can stand boldly before the thrown of grace and proclaim all men sinless and we have no need of Christ's salvation. we can not transgress for there is no law!!!!!!. Glory hallelujah amen.
Why did we not live in this freedom before. I have grace in aboundance to do as I please as long as I live. I live in the Spirit of God and no man can put me in boundage. I can steal and have forgiveness, oops, no I don't need that, forgot there is no law, sorry can't sin forgot. Well will get use to it. The law is a burden.
Bye

So sorry for you. Admitting one is wrong is hard to do. This is isn't a game. I am surprised my good buddy hasn't quoted you from Galatians. And I love Romans. Christianmomof3 has done a great job too. I am starting to wonder why law pushers are so angry though. Seem to me they lose it first or rather more quickly than grace pushers. Interesting. None of us have said that we are free to sin.

I have a couple scriptures for you though.

I Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...

And Gal 5:16-21

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Does this sound like we are without law or are lawless as in doing all kinds of wicked stuff? It doesn't to me.

It is like what is being discussed in another thread about the New Testament trumping the Old Testament. You should read it completely like a novel from start to finish at least a couple times.

bugkiller

Elder 111 · Mar 27, 2010

bugkiller said:
So sorry for you. Admitting one is wrong is hard to do. This is isn't a game. I am surprised my good buddy hasn't quoted you from Galatians. And I love Romans. Christianmomof3 has done a great job too. I am starting to wonder why law pushers are so angry though. Seem to me they lose it first or rather more quickly than grace pushers. Interesting. None of us have said that we are free to sin.

I have a couple scriptures for you though.

I Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...

And Gal 5:16-21

16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Does this sound like we are without law or are lawless as in doing all kinds of wicked stuff? It doesn't to me.

It is like what is being discussed in another thread about the New Testament trumping the Old Testament. You should read it completely like a novel from start to finish at least a couple times.

bugkiller

You are so blind you can not see. How vain can you be? It is not that I admit defeat but that I have left you to your own devices as Christ did of Judas. You would have to be mad to quote the about text, how can you promote such without the ten commandments? Did not the bible say that we will believe a lie? You are there. It hurts me to see such folly but I can not help, not even God can help you or others like you. you deny the truth. You can't sin but the law is abolish, stupidity asolute stupidity!!!It honestly hurts but I can do nothing about it. May God have mercy on us all.

JamesAH · Mar 27, 2010

Elder 111 said:
You are so blind you can not see. How vain can you be

You are so blind you can not see
How vain can you be
You think this thread is about you
About you
About you
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

bugkiller · Mar 27, 2010

Elder 111 said:
You are so blind you can not see. How vain can you be? It is not that I admit defeat but that I have left you to your own devices as Christ did of Judas. You would have to be mad to quote the about text, how can you promote such without the ten commandments? Did not the bible say that we will believe a lie? You are there. It hurts me to see such folly but I can not help, not even God can help you or others like you. you deny the truth. You can't sin but the law is abolish, stupidity asolute stupidity!!!It honestly hurts but I can do nothing about it. May God have mercy on us all.

I think that them who say they need the law are admiting that they have not received the righteousness of Jesus Christ that He so freely gives by His very costly scarifice.

I leave you with I Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...

And Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You have my regrets that you refuse to accept the free gift of the NC.

bugkiller

Frogster · Mar 27, 2010

bugkiller said:
I think that them who say they need the law are admiting that they have not received the righteousness of Jesus Christ that He so freely gives by His very costly scarifice.

I leave you with I Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...

And Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You have my regrets that you refuse to accept the free gift of the NC.

bugkiller

Yes,it is Adam,still under the delusion,that he will be as God.

Elder 111 · Mar 27, 2010

bugkiller said:
I think that them who say they need the law are admiting that they have not received the righteousness of Jesus Christ that He so freely gives by His very costly scarifice.

I leave you with I Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane...

And Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You have my regrets that you refuse to accept the free gift of the NC.

bugkiller

Are you saying the law have to be abolished for these things to take place? The bible does not teach that. I believe exactly that but I do not see how that negates the law? When Jesus call your name in judgement what will He judge by the Spirit Or the law? I Just can not understand how such a denial can exsist!! There is nothing in nature that does not operate by laws. God Gave the ten comandments the LOrd that is the same yesterday today and forever. My friend so is His law. If I do not post again in this tread you would know that I am not wasting my time with persons who want to believe a lie.

Frogster · Mar 27, 2010

Elder 111 said:
Are you saying the law have to be abolished for these things to take place? The bible does not teach that. I believe exactly that but I do not see how that negates the law? When Jesus call your name in judgement what will He judge by the Spirit Or the law? I Just can not understand how such a denial can exsist!! There is nothing in nature that does not operate by laws. God Gave the ten comandments the LOrd that is the same yesterday today and forever. My friend so is His law. If I do not post again in this tread you would know that I am not wasting my time with anyone who wants to believe a lie.

Actually,because Jesus obsorbed the curse and punishment of the law,(Gal3:13)I have passed from judgment.

John 5;24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

1 john 4;17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world

Frogster · Mar 27, 2010

Elder 111 said:
Are you saying the law have to be abolished for these things to take place? The bible does not teach that. I believe exactly that but I do not see how that negates the law? When Jesus call your name in judgement what will He judge by the Spirit Or the law? I Just can not understand how such a denial can exsist!! There is nothing in nature that does not operate by laws. God Gave the ten comandments the LOrd that is the same yesterday today and forever. My friend so is His law. If I do not post again in this tread you would know that I am not wasting my time with persons who want to believe a lie.

ummmm.we are under a law,,but it is not Mosaic,it is a law of faith.

rom 3;27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith.

bugkiller · Mar 27, 2010

Elder 111 said:
Are you saying the law have to be abolished for these things to take place? The bible does not teach that. I believe exactly that but I do not see how that negates the law? When Jesus call your name in judgement what will He judge by the Spirit Or the law? I Just can not understand how such a denial can exsist!! There is nothing in nature that does not operate by laws. God Gave the ten comandments the LOrd that is the same yesterday today and forever. My friend so is His law. If I do not post again in this tread you would know that I am not wasting my time with persons who want to believe a lie.

So enlighten my ignorance, teacher. Even Paul who taught Jews who could quote the firt five books of the Bible by the time they were 12 cited scripture. Without the quotes or at least specific references to (as in I Tim 1:9) all you are offering is a philosophy that you have heard. You have not read the scripture (Bible) cover to cover, page by page.

Take a wiff of my garlic like this guy did.

You by pass such scriptures as Jer 31:31-34, Heb 8:8-13: 7:12, Gal 3:17, 19; 4:30; 5:4,16-21, Mat 26;28, LK 24:44, Rom 6:14, 15; 7:1-6; 8:1-6 II Cor 3:6, 7 - need I go on?

You clearly do not understand your quote of Heb 13:8 or Mal 3:6 which you did not quote.

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