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In the post below, you will find the ancient Sumerian flood narrative. We don't know when it was first told, but it was first written down some time around 2000 B.C.. This not only predates the actual writing of the Genesis account, it predates Moses by and even Abraham by hundreds of years. Now, Abraham is actually very important to this development. Abraham was from Sumer. He would have grown up with this story, as would have Sarah and Lot, etc. This was part of THE major epic narrative of their past, and it is difficult to believe that this story would not have passed down among his line.

Now, many hundreds of years later, we have the Genesis account written down, with many, many striking similarities in details. Now, even hardcore literalists like ICR acknowledge that the Genesis account was almost assuredly based on an oral version being told by the Hebrews before it was written, and that it was not just dropped on the Genesis writer as a new revelation and I don't think anyone disputes this.

Further, even the hardcore literalists agree that the first civilizations grew up in Mesopotamia, in Sumer, and that Abraham and his descendants are derived from that culture. Even if one takes the genealogies as true, it would mean that everyone on the list up to Noah, and then from Shem to Abraham was from Mesopotamia. This is true because the literalists also assert that Eden was in Mesopotamia. So, I don't think anyone would dispute that Noah was from Mesopotamia as well.

This means that the person who was saved from the flood was from Mesopotamia and the earliest account of the flood, even by literalists standards, would have to have arisen in Mesopotamia. Now the Epic of Gilgamesh includes that story, and it became their major cultural story about their past. And, again, that is where Abraham eventually was born and raised.

So, lets consider the possibilities:

1. The Sumerian account was passed down among the descendents of Abraham and, over hundreds of years, it evolved into the account we have in Genesis.

2. The descendents of Abraham never heard the Sumerian story and, thus, their version could not have derived from or been influenced by the Sumerian flood narrative.

I just don't see number 2 as a viable option. If someone wants to make a case for number 2, feel free.

Assuming 1 for the moment, then, we have the Hebrews starting with the Sumerian version and then changing many of the details at some point to what we have in Genesis today. The question then remains whether all the details they changed was a process of converting it back into the historically accurate story. This is not the usual process for story development. It usually get further from historicity the further it gets from the source. By the time the Sumerian version was written down, the story had already grown from whatever event caused it's writing to a highly mythologized account.

I believe that God was definitely involved in this conversion process to some extent, but I do not think it most likely that He guided the conversion back to literal history. I have no reason to think that this would be necessary.

But what would this mean for Biblical veracity? I am with C.S. Lewis on this one:

I have therefore no difficulty in accepting, say, the view of those scholars who tell us that the account of Creation in Genesis is derived from earlier Semitic stories which were Pagan and mythical. We must of course be quite clear what "derived from" means. Stories do not reproduce their species like mice. They are told by men. Each re-teller either repeats exactly what his predecessor had told him or else changes it. He may change it unknowingly or deliberately. If he changes it deliberately, his invention, his sense of form, his ethics, his ideas of what is fit, or edifying, or merely interesting, all come in. If unknowingly, then his unconscious (which is so largely responsible for our forgettings) has been at work. Thus at every step in what is called--a little misleadingly--the "evolution" of a story, a man, all he is and all his attitudes, are involved. An no good work is done anywhere without aid from the Father of Lights. When a series of such retellings turns a creation story which at first had almost no religious or metaphysical significance into a story which achieves the idea of true Creation and of a transcendent Creator (as Genesis does), then nothing will make me believe that some of the re-tellers, or some one of them, has not been guided by God.

Thus something originally merely natural--the kind of myth that is found amongst most nations--will have been raised by God above itself, qualified by Him and compelled by Him to serve purposes which of itself would not have served.


God used this story, with which His people were very familiar, adopting it for His purposes, to convey great and important truths about His relationship with Mankind.

Now for the text:
 

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A portion of the Epic of Gilgamesh, ca 2000 B.C.

Shurippak -a city which thou knowest,

(And) which on Euphrates' banks is set-
That city was ancient, (as were) the gods within it,

When their heart led the great gods to produce the flood.

There were Anu, their father,
Valiant Enlil, their counselor, (Note: the god of the wind)
Ninurta, their herald,
Ennuge, their irrigator.
Ninigiku-Ea was also present with them;

Their words he repeats to the reed-hut:

'Reed-hut, reed-hut! Wall! Wall!
Reed-hut, hearken! Wall, reflect!
Man of Shuruppak, son of Ubar-Tutu,

Tear down (this) house, build a ship!
Give up possessions, seek thou life.
Despise property and keep the soul alive.

Aboard the ship take thou the seed of all living things.
The ship that thou shalt build,
Her dimensions shall be to measure.
Equal shall be her width and her length.
Like the Apsu thou shalt ceil her.'

I understood, and I said to Ea, my lord:

'Behold, my lord, what thou hast thus ordered,
I shall be honoured to carry out.
But what shall I answer the city, the people and elders?'

Ea opened his mouth to speak,
Saying to me, his servant:

'Thou shalt then thus speak unto them:
"I have learned that Enlil is hostile to me, (Note: the Spirit)
So that I cannot reside in your city,
Nor set my foot in Enlil's territory.
To the Deep I will therefore go down,
To dwell with my lord Ea.

But upon you he will shower down abundance,

The choicest birds, the rarest fishes.
The land shall have its fill of harvest riches.
He who at dusk orders the hush-greens,
Will shower down upon you a rain of wheat.
With the first glow of dawn,
The land was gathered about me.
(too fragmentary for translation]
The little ones carried bitumen,
While the grown ones brought all else that was needful.

On the fifth day I laid her framework.

One (whole) acre was her floor space, (660' X 660')
Ten dozen cubits the height of each of her walls,
Ten dozen cubits each edge of the square deck.
I laid out the shape of her sides and joined her together.
I provided her with six decks,
Dividing her (thus) into seven parts.


Her floor plan I divided into nine parts.

I hammered water-plugs into her.
I saw to the punting-poles and laid in supplies.
Six 'sar' (measures = 8,000 gallons), of bitumen I poured into the furnace,
Three sar of asphalt I also poured inside.
Three sar of the basket-bearers transferred,
Aside from the one sar of oil which the calking consumed,
And the two sar of oil which the boatman stowed away.


Bullocks I slaughtered for the people,

And I killed sheep every day.
Must, red wine, oil, and white wine
I gave the workmen to drink, as though river water,
That they might feast as on New Year's Day. . . .



On the seventh day the ship was completed.
The launching was very difficult,
So that they had to shift the floor planks above and below,
Until two-thirds of the structure had gone into the water.

Whatever I had I laded upon her.
Whatever I had of silver I laded upon her,
Whatever I had of gold I laded upon her,
Whatever I had of all the living beings I laded upon her.
All my family and kin I made go aboard the ship.
The beasts of the field, the wild creatures of the field,
All the craftsmen I made go aboard.


Shamash (Sumerian sun god) had set for me a stated time:

'When he who orders unease at night
Will shower down a rain of blight,
Board thou the ship and batten up the gate!'


That stated time had arrived:

'He who orders unease at night showers down a rain of blight.'
I watched the appearance of the weather.
The weather was awesome to behold.
I boarded the ship and battened up the gate.


To batten up the (whole) ship, to Puzar-Amurri, the boatman,
I handed over the structure together with its contents.

With the first glow of dawn,
A black cloud rose up from the horizon.
Inside it Adad thunders,
While Shallat and Hanish go in front,
Moving as heralds over hill and plain.
Erragal tears out the posts;
Forth comes Ninurta and causes the dikes to follow.
The Anunnaki lift up the torches,
Setting the land ablaze with their glare.
Consternation over Adad reaches to the heavens,


Turning to blackness all that had been light.

The wide land was shattered like a pot!
For one day the south-storm blew,

Gathering speed as it blew, submerging the mountains,
Overtaking the people like a battle.
No one can see his fellow,
Nor can the people be recognized from heaven.


The gods were frightened by the deluge,

And, shrinking back, they ascended to the heaven of Anu.
The gods cowered like dogs
Crouched against the outer wall.


Ishtar cried out like a woman in travail,

The sweet-voiced mistress of the gods moans aloud:

'The olden days are alas turned to clay,
Because I bespoke evil in the Assembly of the gods,

How could I bespeak evil in the Assembly of the gods,
Ordering battle for the destruction of my people,
When it is I myself who give birth to my people!


Like the spawn of the fishes they fill the sea!'

The Anunnaki gods weep with her,
he gods, all humbled, sit and weep,
Their lips drawn tight. . . . one and all.



Six days and six nights
Blows the flood wind, as the south-storm sweeps the land.
When the seventh day arrived,
The flood (-carrying) south-storm subsided in the battle,
Which it had fought like an army.
The sea-grew quiet, the tempest was still, the flood ceased.
I looked at the weather. stillness had set in,
And all of mankind had returned to clay.


The landscape was as level as a flat roof.

I opened a hatch, and light fell on my face.
Bowing low, I sat and wept,
Tears running down my face.
I looked about for coast lines in the expanse of the sea:
In each of fourteen (regions)
There emerged a region (-mountain).

On Mount Nisir the ship came to a halt.
Mount Nisir held the ship fast,
Allowing -no motion.


[For six days the ship is held fast by Mount Nisir.]

When the seventh day arrived,
I sent forth and set free a dove.
The dove went forth, but came back;
There was no resting-place for it and she turned round.

Then I sent forth and set free a swallow.
The swallow went forth, but came back,
There was no resting-place for it and she turned round.

Then I sent forth and set free a raven.
The raven went forth and, seeing that the waters had diminished,
He eats, circles, caws, and turns not round.


Then I let out (all) to the four winds

And offered a sacrifice.
I poured out a libation on the top of the mountain.
Seven and seven cult-vessels I set up,
Upon their plate-stands I heaped cane, cedarwood, and myrtle.

The gods smelled the savour,
The gods smelled the sweet savour,
The gods crowded like flies about the sacrificer.


As soon as the great goddess arrived,

She lifted up the great jewels which Anu had fashioned to her liking:
'Ye gods here, as surely as this lapis
Upon my neck I shall -not forget,
I shall be mindful of these days, forgetting (them) never.
Let the gods come to the offering:


(But) let not Enlil (wind or spirit) come to the offering,

For he, unreasoning, brought on the deluge
And my people consigned to destruction.'

As soon as Enlil arrived,
And saw the ship, Enlil was wroth,
He was filled with wrath against the Igigi gods:


'Has some living soul escaped?

No man was to survive the destruction!'
Ninurta opened his mouth to speak,
Saying to valiant Enlil:

'Who other than Ea can devise plans?
It is Ea alone who knows every matter.'
Ea opened his mouth to speak,
Saying to valiant Enlil:

'Thou wisest of the gods, thou hero,
How couldst thou, unreasoning, bring on the deluge?
On the sinner impose his sin,
On the transgressor impose his transgression!


(Yet) be lenient, lest he be cut off, Be patient,
lest he be dislodged

Instead of thy bringing on the deluge,

Would that a lion had risen up to diminish mankind!

Instead of thy brining on the deluge,

Would that a wolf had risen up to diminish mankind!

Instead of thy bringing on the deluge,

Would that a famine had risen up to lay low mankind!

Instead of thy bringing on the deluge,

Would that pestilence had risen up to smite down mankind!


It was not I who disclosed the secret of the great gods.

I let Atrahasis (epithed of Utnapishtim) see a dream,
And he perceived the secret of the gods.
Now then take counsel in regard to him!'


Thereupon Enlil went aboard the ship.

Holding me by the hand, he took me aboard.
He took my wife aboard and made (her) kneel by my side.
Standing between us, he touched our foreheads to bless us:

'Hitherto Utnapishtim has been but human.
Henceforth Utnapishtim and his wife shall be like unto us gods.
Utnapishtim shall reside far away, at the mouth of the rivers!'
Thus they took me and made me reside far away,
At the mouth of the rivers.
 
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Notwithstanding any similarities, when it can be demonstrated that the Sumerian version was inspired by the Holy Spirit and falls into the category of scripture "profitable for doctrine and reproof", then I will give it higher credence. Until then it is as much a coincidence and evidence of a literal flood as anything else.
 
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Vance said:
So, lets consider the possibilities:

1. The Sumerian account was passed down among the descendents of Abraham and, over hundreds of years, it evolved into the account we have in Genesis.

2. The descendents of Abraham never heard the Sumerian story and, thus, their version could not have derived from or been influenced by the Sumerian flood narrative.

You missed at least one possibility:

3. The Genesis account was the original, accurate account passed down unmolested while the same story evolved into the Epic of Gilgamesh.
 
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Remus said:
You missed at least one possibility:

3. The Genesis account was the original, accurate account passed down unmolested while the same story evolved into the Epic of Gilgamesh.

No, I didn't miss that possibility, it is basically my number two option, which I invited anyone to develop more fully. So, let's see how that would have worked. Now, remember, it is not a matter of whether or not God could or even did inspire the text we have today (He did), but whether He necessarily inspired literal history.

So, under your idea, the flood narrative, as we have it is the literal history. That story was modified and changed to become the Sumerian version. Then, some Sumerians, who all know that version, take off (with that version as their major cultural epic) and head off to Canaan. There they pass down the Sumerian version for hundreds of years, but the version they eventually tell is NOT a further variation of the Sumerian version (as all logic, human nature of the lessons of history would tell us), but a different version from a different source, which they adopted in place of the one that had passed down from Abraham.

All possible, God can do anything. And not provable one way or the other. But, I must ask you, absent an absolute need for the Biblical account to be accurate literal history, would you think your scenario most likely?
 
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Vance said:
In the post below, you will find the ancient Sumerian flood narrative.
Just to throw something in the mix, here's a blurb from the Book of Enoch (which goes into extensive detail on the reason for the flood). I won't go into the history of this book here, but it's easily found on the net.

"Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world."
 
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Vance said:
So, under your idea, the flood narrative, as we have it is the literal history. That story was modified and changed to become the Sumerian version. Then, some Sumerians, who all know that version, take off (with that version as their major cultural epic) and head off to Canaan. There they pass down the Sumerian version for hundreds of years, but the version they eventually tell is NOT a further variation of the Sumerian version (as all logic, human nature of the lessons of history would tell us), but a different version from a different source, which they adopted in place of the one that had passed down from Abraham.
I see no reason to assume that the Sumerian version would have come about in one change that was then followed by splitting off and then remained unchanged after that. I think it would make more sense that the version that they had changed prior to the split and continued to change over the "hundreds of years" and probably even changed after it was written down to some degree.

All possible, God can do anything. And not provable one way or the other. But, I must ask you, absent an absolute need for the Biblical account to be accurate literal history, would you think your scenario most likely?
I would think my scenario would be, but not the one that you portrayed. Add to that the fact that the Genesis account has remained relatively unchanged for thousands of years gives us reason to believe that it remained relatively unchanged prior to that.
 
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Well, first of all, I have no problem with it remaining unchanged since the time it was written down, since it was written down. But I can't see why you would think that multiple versions would exist within Sumerian society. This was their major epic, their "Illiad", their accounts of their past similar to the ones the Hebrews later developed. It seems highly speculative to say that the "Noah" version was the original, that it remained as a viable version throughout Sumerian times up until Abraham left, but that we NEVER see it in Sumeria, we only see the Sumerian version. We only see the Noah version hundreds of years later when the Hebrews put it down.
 
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Okay, I'll agree that it's unlikely that multiple versions would exist within the Sumerian society. That's beside the point anyway. But, why would you believe it "highly speculative" that the Genesis account was the original? We both agree that it was inspired by God and that alone should give it more weight than any other version. Left alone, I'm sure it would have changed much in the same way the Sumerian version did, but since God maintains His Word throughout the generations, it's a safer bet to say the version that God inspired would be the original and the Sumerian version an embellishment of it.

but that we NEVER see it in Sumeria,
How many 'copies' of the Sumerian version have been found? I'm not sure, but this sounds like it could be an argument from ignorance. Either way, it doesn't lend any support to your argument. The split would have happened about 150-200 years before the Sumerian version was written down. Is there any credible reason that we should find the Genesis version?
 
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First of all, I agree that the text of the Biblical account was inspired by God, but this does not at all mean that God inspired that account from the beginning. I think it much more likely, given the totality of the evidence, that God just let the story about an ealy catastrophic local flood develop as any other story would, then, when it could be profitably used as a means by which God could use that story to teach fundamental truths about His relationship with Mankind, He inspired the final reshaping of that story into the language we have. Again, I think Lewis described this process wonderfully, as quoted in my OP.
 
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Vance said:
I think it much more likely, given the totality of the evidence, that God just let the story about an ealy catastrophic local flood develop as any other story would, then, when it could be profitably used as a means by which God could use that story to teach fundamental truths about His relationship with Mankind, He inspired the final reshaping of that story into the language we have.
Evidently I might not be too far off base if I assumed, then, that you believe there were plenty of other human survivors around the globe beside Noah's family (who might not have existed in the first place, other than as an allegorical figure used to convey a deeper meaning). Am I on track?
 
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Well, yes, if there was a literal flood upon which these stories were based, it would have been a local, Mesopotamian one, and most of mankind would have survived just fine. And, no, this does not conflict with the Scripture. Unless you insist that the flood account must be literal history.
 
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Vance said:
Well, yes, if there was a literal flood upon which these stories were based, it would have been a local, Mesopotamian one, and most of mankind would have survived just fine. And, no, this does not conflict with the Scripture. Unless you insist that the flood account must be literal history.
Wow! Does not conflict with scripture ?? Do the following verses give you the impression Noah or the flood on a planetary scale were not actual?
Then *the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. (Gen 6:5-8)

For this [is as] the waters of Noah unto me: for [as] I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. (Isaiah 54:9)

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. (Heb 11:7)

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1Pe 3:20)

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (2Pe 2:5)​
I do. (insist that the flood was literal). I also suggest the account contained actual historical people (big surprise) of which one was Noah. I cannot quite place my thoughts on paper at the moment, for fear of unnecessarily offending you. But suffice to say they are closely related to the "slippery slope" concept.
 
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But you are still starting with the assumption that the story is literal history. Can you really not see how God can tell us that story, in exactly that way, but mean for us to read it figuratively, as a story about how God will punish the wicked, save the righteous, and show mercy to all mankind? The conflict only exists if the story IS literal history, but does not conflict at all if C.S. Lewis is right in his approach that God can have taken a current mythological story and converted it to His own use:

I have therefore no difficulty in accepting, say, the view of those scholars who tell us that the account of Creation in Genesis is derived from earlier Semitic stories which were Pagan and mythical. We must of course be quite clear what "derived from" means. Stories do not reproduce their species like mice. They are told by men. Each re-teller either repeats exactly what his predecessor had told him or else changes it. He may change it unknowingly or deliberately. If he changes it deliberately, his invention, his sense of form, his ethics, his ideas of what is fit, or edifying, or merely interesting, all come in. If unknowingly, then his unconscious (which is so largely responsible for our forgettings) has been at work. Thus at every step in what is called--a little misleadingly--the "evolution" of a story, a man, all he is and all his attitudes, are involved. An no good work is done anywhere without aid from the Father of Lights. When a series of such retellings turns a creation story which at first had almost no religious or metaphysical significance into a story which achieves the idea of true Creation and of a transcendent Creator (as Genesis does), then nothing will make me believe that some of the re-tellers, or some one of them, has not been guided by God.

Thus something originally merely natural--the kind of myth that is found amongst most nations--will have been raised by God above itself, qualified by Him and compelled by Him to serve purposes which of itself would not have served.

Now, why exactly is this an impossibilty?
 
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Of course, the alternative, if you insist upon some degree of historicity, is that the original local flood DID kill off all those within the local area "kol erets" or "all the land", and leave just Noah and his family. But that is only if you need it to be literal history.
 
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Vance said:
Now, why exactly is this an impossibilty?
The word hermeneutics comes to mind. Let me ask you: do you feel the conjunction of the story of the flood and the second coming of Christ makes Christ's return allegorical too?
And as in the days of Noah, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noah entered into the ark,
And they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.
Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.
Two women shall be grinding at the mill: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.
So stay awake, because ye do not know at what hour your Lord will come.
But know this, that if the householder knew at what hour the thief would come, he would certainly watch, and would not suffer his house to be broken open.
Therefore you also must be ready, because you don’t know at what hour the Son of man will come. (Matthew 24:37-44)​
 
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Vance said:
Of course, the alternative, if you insist upon some degree of historicity, is that the original local flood DID kill off all those within the local area "kol erets" or "all the land", and leave just Noah and his family. But that is only if you need it to be literal history.
Now that is an even worse perversion of what is written. It is clear the story depicts the end of all land-based life EXCEPT that which occupied the ark. That applies regardless of interpretation.
 
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I tend to agree, which is why I think the purely figurative reading is the correct one, since we know there was not a global flood within the time frame. But remember, that every time you read the word "the whole earth", it is using a phrase in Hebrew that is used hundreds of times in Scripture to mean something OTHER than the entire planet. It is almost always used to refer to a local area, or a people, etc. It actually is a better translation to say "the whole land". So, if you re-read the text using that instead of "the whole earth" you can see why most Christians nowadays opt for a local flood rather than a global one. God is destroying all the life within that local area, meaning the culture and community which was wicked.

Now, another viewpoint that is widely held is that of ALL of mankind, but that mankind was all contained within a local area, like Mesopotamia. Hugh Ross, an ardent anti-evolutionist, holds this view. He shows first how the flood can not have been global, then argues that if Mankind (as opposed to pre-human hominids) was created and developed in that region, they might still have all been there at the time of the flood. Thus, you get to read the text literally. Actually MORE literally than you currently do, since the phrase "kol erets" is not usually used to mean the whole planet.

Now, I don't hold this view because I see WAY too much evidence of human activity before the time frames allowed, but I thought you might like Ross' view. It has the benefit if recognizing the scientific evidence that disproves a global flood. If this idea had been presented before Morris wrote his books and so many Creationists became heavily invested in the flood geology, I am positive this would be the predominant Creationist viewpoint.
 
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Vance said:
I tend to agree, which is why I think ...
Vance, as I have mentioned to you before, it would be very helpful if you would use the quote button in a reply (which puts it under the post you're responding to) or let us know who you are talking to.
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