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You don't find it practical to recognize that while some people interpret the Bible completely literally and base their worldview and politics on it, others interpret it as myth and completely discard it? Meanwhile most others are somewhere in between.Decades of effort by thousands of people, maybe tens of thousands, of no practical use!
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Agreed. I've been trying to figure out where Panentheism fits. I know it's more on the imagination side but I think it's more gnostic (liittle g) than anything. But going with imagination and my experience with Panentheism I'd place Pandeism more on the imagination side than Deism.I think you're right. The Reason/Imagination chart needs heavy revision.
It remains in the noise, until a testable hypothesis emerges from that noise .. (regardless of anyone's agreement/disagreement with you on your question there).You don't find it practical to recognize that while some people interpret the Bible completely literally and base their worldview and politics on it, others interpret it as myth and completely discard it? Meanwhile most others are somewhere in between.
It remains in the noise, until a testable hypothesis emerges from that noise .. (regardless of anyone's agreement/disagreement with you on your question there).
So where is it?
A testable hypothesis.Where is what?
The problem is that too often they consider their hypothesis a fact. Reminds me of a story of a women when she died they found her Bible. Many scriptures said TTT. At first, they wondered the meaning and then they discovered the meaning was Tested, Tried and found to be True. It has always been a challenge for atheists to test the Bible to see if the word of God is faithful and true. All the time.'Cause without one, its all just a bunch of mutterings and grumblings
I agree that is an altogether, too frequent observation .. but mostly occurs in media stories/coverage, which difffers from formally published, peer reviewed journal research reports.The problem is that too often they consider their hypothesis a fact.
Observer bias .. (unless she cited the test for others to carry out and see for themselves).Reminds me of a story of a women when she died they found her Bible. Many scriptures said TTT. At first, they wondered the meaning and then they discovered the meaning was Tested, Tried and found to be True.
Whaaa? Goodness me!It has always been a challenge for atheists to test the Bible to see if the word of God is faithful and true. All the time.
The problem is that too often they consider their hypothesis a fact. Reminds me of a story of a women when she died they found her Bible. Many scriptures said TTT. At first, they wondered the meaning and then they discovered the meaning was Tested, Tried and found to be True. It has always been a challenge for atheists to test the Bible to see if the word of God is faithful and true. All the time.
What about the majority of everyone else in the entire human population, or do you consider yourself a hermit or perhaps, 'a brain-in-a-vat' that has direct access to the truth, over and above the majority there?For me, it's BSITSI.
Bible Says It, That Settles It
The truth is built-in.
I suppose that raises the question of whether the contemporary Christian milieu can be mapped or sorted out in some way that might help us to understating positions other than our own. I think places like Pew and Gallup have provided some helpful data for those who have the interest to look and care.A testable hypothesis.
From a Christian perspective, 1 Corinthians 13.I have been looking for a framework to illustrate a spectrum of religious/spiritual beliefs.
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A testable hypothesis.
'Cause without one, its all just a bunch of mutterings and grumblings in the domain of: 'my belief is different from yours. ..'
.. like: 'Yeah? .. So what?'
Of course, but how do we know what the Bible says? You might think we need to learn King James English, while I believe we should learn Hebrew. However, the essence of the teachings can be summed up in the Sermon on the Mount and even more so in the greatest commandment: to love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength. We are also called to love our neighbor as ourselves, which is an expression of our love for God. If we truly loved ourselves, people would not harm themselves in the ways they do. We would all be far less harmful and destructive towards all of God's creation.For me, it's BSITSI.
Bible Says It, That Settles It
The truth is built-in.
What about the majority of everyone else in the entire human population,
... or do you consider yourself a hermit or perhaps, 'a brain-in-a-vat' that has direct access to the truth, over and above the majority there?
Well .. then not everything is worthy of our time, and not everything we can test is what we can think .. (practically speaking).Not everything that is worthy of our time is testable, and not everything that we think should be testable is.
Is that meant like some sort of a Revelation or similar?Like I said, you sort of sound like a Logical Positivist
I don't know what you mean by 'the essence of Reality' there .. but it sounds more interesting than how I sound to you, (meaning: a 'Logical Positivist' etc).even if you have your own branding for what it is you believe about the essence of Reality.
Of course, but how do we know what the Bible says?
You might think we need to learn King James English, while I believe we should learn Hebrew.
However, the essence of the teachings can be summed up in the Sermon on the Mount and even more so in the greatest commandment: to love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength.
My question is, where are the 144,000 we read about in Revelation?
Are we about to enter into 7 years of "tribulation" ...
Oh my goodness!!What about them?
Ask them this:
The Bible says it, does that not settle it for you?
If they say NO, then ask them this:
What would settle it for you?
I don't mind the idea of a hermit lifestyle, (personally speaking).No, I don't.
I'll let you consider me that.
Well .. then not everything is worthy of our time, and not everything we can test is what we can think .. (practically speaking).
Nope. It's not revelation. It's a philosophically inclined evaluation, meaning that you seem to emphasize empirical evidence and insinuate that unless a person's statement is verifiable via empirical observation and/or scientific testing, it's somehow utterly vacuous.Is that meant like some sort of a Revelation or similar?
(I'm not being sarcastic here .. I really don't know what a Revelation is meant to be ..)
That's ok if you don't know. You and I are playing different language games, as Wittgenstein would have said.I don't know what you mean by 'the essence of Reality' there .. but it sounds more interesting than how I sound to you, (meaning: a 'Logical Positivist' etc).
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