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The Seventy Sevens
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StAnselm said:Prayer, of course.
But also reading the book of Jeremiah.
Good, what was the prayer that he was praying, the result he was looking for in his prayer?
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Oh, I know the answer to that one! He had realised the time was up! He was confessing the sin of his people, and praying that God would return them to Jerusalem.
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I found this quite interesting. It was taken from the book "REVELATION for the ADVANCES STUDENT", the chapter titled SEVENTY WEEKS OF DANIEL CHAPTER 9", by Jack D. Hastings. It is only a portion of the chapter and I did cut out a small portion where you find the word (SNIP)
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (Daniel 9:24-27).
It is not my purpose to go into great detail, but to give you a good understanding "seventy weeks are determined upon they people and upon they holy city" (Dan. 9:24) TheJews had a "seven" of years as well as a "seven"of days. They were as familiar of the "seven of years" as they wee of the "seven of days."
"Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard." (Lev.25:3-4) "and thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years." (Lev.25 :8)
(SNIP)
This "seventy weeks" (seventy sevens of years) is determined upon Israel because of their greed. They though if they could raise so much grain and fruit in six years, they could raise much more in seven years. God said let the land rest every seventh year. Israel did not obey God. God just winked at it, so to speak, and et them think they were getting away with something. God has determind that Israel should pay for not letting the land rest, so He put seventy sevens of years upon them; the exact number of years they did not let the land rest..
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." (Dan.9:25)
This command was given in Nehemiah 2:1-8, "and it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerses the king." From March 14, 445 B.C. to April 6, 32 A.D. is 173,880 days, which is 69 weeks of prophetic years of 360 days. 69 times 7 equals 173,880 days.
Using our own calendar of years would be: from 445 B.C. to 32 A.D. is 476 years.
476 times 365 days is 173,740 days.
Add for leap-years is .......116 days.
March 14 to April 6 is.........24 days
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..............................173,740 days
These seventy weeks are divided into three subdivision as follows: (1) The restoration and rebuilding of Jerusalem, which is said to be "seven sevens of years" or 49 years. (2) "three score and two weeks" of years or 434 years, which is marked, as to its ind, by the "cutting off," or the crucifixion of Christ; and (3) "one week of years" or 7 years, which is still future. (SNIP)
God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (Daniel 9:24-27).
It is not my purpose to go into great detail, but to give you a good understanding "seventy weeks are determined upon they people and upon they holy city" (Dan. 9:24) TheJews had a "seven" of years as well as a "seven"of days. They were as familiar of the "seven of years" as they wee of the "seven of days."
"Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof; But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard." (Lev.25:3-4) "and thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years." (Lev.25 :8)
(SNIP)
This "seventy weeks" (seventy sevens of years) is determined upon Israel because of their greed. They though if they could raise so much grain and fruit in six years, they could raise much more in seven years. God said let the land rest every seventh year. Israel did not obey God. God just winked at it, so to speak, and et them think they were getting away with something. God has determind that Israel should pay for not letting the land rest, so He put seventy sevens of years upon them; the exact number of years they did not let the land rest..
"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." (Dan.9:25)
This command was given in Nehemiah 2:1-8, "and it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerses the king." From March 14, 445 B.C. to April 6, 32 A.D. is 173,880 days, which is 69 weeks of prophetic years of 360 days. 69 times 7 equals 173,880 days.
Using our own calendar of years would be: from 445 B.C. to 32 A.D. is 476 years.
476 times 365 days is 173,740 days.
Add for leap-years is .......116 days.
March 14 to April 6 is.........24 days
______________________________
..............................173,740 days
These seventy weeks are divided into three subdivision as follows: (1) The restoration and rebuilding of Jerusalem, which is said to be "seven sevens of years" or 49 years. (2) "three score and two weeks" of years or 434 years, which is marked, as to its ind, by the "cutting off," or the crucifixion of Christ; and (3) "one week of years" or 7 years, which is still future. (SNIP)
God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!
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Let's suppose these do indeed refer to lots of seven years - what makes you think that the last seven is still future?
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I started rereading Daniel yesterday, I'll finish it today. Im not sure you'll want my opinions, but its been very interesting reading it again.
Thanks for always giving interesting ideas of topics to study Jerry.
Thanks for always giving interesting ideas of topics to study Jerry.
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StAnselm said:
An interesting study on this issue is to be found here
http://www.ldolphin.org/70weeks/
I will summarize some of the consepts in a later post.
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This is rubbish. Biblical prophecy isn't always meant to be taken literally - often it contains poetic imagery, and the "plain meaning" is that which takes this imagery into account.Thomas Ice said:
Oh dear. It looks like he's doing fancy stuff with Hebrew words...Thomas Ice said:
I don't really know what these verses mean, but having read the first part of this article, I'm not yet convinced that this guy's way is the way to go...
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StAnselm said:
"Decreed means divided or severed off from the whole period of world-empire in the hands of the Gentiles"
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?number=02852&version=kjv
- to divide, determine
- (Niphal) to be determined, be decreed, be settled, be marked out
??? Don't see the problem.
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Well, you would have noticed that this is the only occurence of the word in the Bible - so to push the intepretation to the point of saying that it means "severed" from the period of world-empires is rather fanciful. He's reading a lot into a word when he doesn't really know what it means...
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StAnselm said:
What is so fanciful about it?
"Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
I fail to see the basis of your objection.
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