The Seventh Day Adventist view on the Nicene Creed

[longhair75]

Good afternoon friends,

If I may ask a question: Are the beliefs of the Seventh Day Adventist Church compatible with the Nicene Creed?

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

[Xenon]

As long as it's catholic (interest to all) and not Catholic (Catholic Church), it sounds good to me.

 

[digdeep]

Good afternoon friends,

If I may ask a question: Are the beliefs of the Seventh Day Adventist Church compatible with the Nicene Creed?

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

yes

 

[honorthesabbath]

Longhair--yes-I see nothing there that I would disagree with.

 

[OntheDL]

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

What's the underlying meaning???

 

[honorthesabbath]

When I noticed that catholic was not the BIG "C"-I understood they meant universal church, not the one in Rome.

Is that your take?

 

[honorthesabbath]

Longhair--may I ask your reason for asking this question?

 

[OntheDL]

Did you see the announcement?
http://christianforums.com/a541

Longhair--may I ask your reason for asking this question?

 

[OntheDL]

The Nicene creed from the Council of Nicea of 325 did not have this statement. Neither did it contain the phrase 'Virgin Mary'. These were allegedly added in the 381 Council of Constantinople.

The statements LH quoted appear to be the modified Armenian version of the Nicene Creed. Note the Armenian phrases:

the holy Virgin Mary...
...the Universal, Apostalic and Holy Church...

I think the 3 horns that were plucked by the root held the belief of Arianism.

When I noticed that catholic was not the BIG "C"-I understood they meant universal church, not the one in Rome.

Is that your take?

 

[longhair75]

Friend honorthesabbath,

I have learned a lot about the SDA Church in my time as a moderator here. The site wide announcement made me realize that I did not know the answer to this question. I have no agenda, I am just curious.

 

[JonMiller]

Friend honorthesabbath,

I have learned a lot about the SDA Church in my time as a moderator here. The site wide announcement made me realize that I did not know the answer to this question. I have no agenda, I am just curious.

We really do act better then we do here. Truly we do. At least most of us.

JM

 

[Sophia7]

Good afternoon friends,

If I may ask a question: Are the beliefs of the Seventh Day Adventist Church compatible with the Nicene Creed?

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Yes. I had no problem agreeing with the Nicene Creed when I was an Adventist.

 

[Sophia7]

The Nicene creed from the Council of Nicea of 325 did not have this statement. Neither did it contain the phrase 'Virgin Mary'. These were allegedly added in the 381 Council of Constantinople.

The statements LH quoted appear to be the modified Armenian version of the Nicene Creed. Note the Armenian phrases:

the holy Virgin Mary...
...the Universal, Apostalic and Holy Church...

I think the 3 horns that were plucked by the root held the belief of Arianism.

Are you trying to place yourself in the non-Nicene category? Under the new rules that were just announced, if Adventists were declared non-Nicene, you would lose your congregational area.

 

[Sophia7]

Yes. I had no problem agreeing with the Nicene Creed when I was an Adventist.

The Nicene creed from the Council of Nicea of 325 did not have this statement. Neither did it contain the phrase 'Virgin Mary'. These were allegedly added in the 381 Council of Constantinople.

The statements LH quoted appear to be the modified Armenian version of the Nicene Creed. Note the Armenian phrases:

the holy Virgin Mary...
...the Universal, Apostalic and Holy Church...

I think the 3 horns that were plucked by the root held the belief of Arianism.

I should make a clarification. Some Adventists agree with the Nicene Creed.

 

[Sophia7]

The Nicene creed from the Council of Nicea of 325 did not have this statement. Neither did it contain the phrase 'Virgin Mary'. These were allegedly added in the 381 Council of Constantinople.

The statements LH quoted appear to be the modified Armenian version of the Nicene Creed. Note the Armenian phrases:

the holy Virgin Mary...
...the Universal, Apostalic and Holy Church...

The version of the Nicene Creed that longhair quoted (which is being used for the new rule) doesn't use the term "holy Virgin Mary," just "Virgin Mary." That was added in 381, but it's not unbiblical to call her the Virgin Mary.

 

[catlover]

Friend honorthesabbath,

I have learned a lot about the SDA Church in my time as a moderator here. The site wide announcement made me realize that I did not know the answer to this question. I have no agenda, I am just curious.

I hope it is not a witch hunt...I am really angry with the rules to exclude The Mormons, Unitarians, and JW's...

The fact of the matter is, there are many ultra conservative Christians behind this new rule and many of these Christians consider Adventists to be in a cult.

Frankly, the Adventists have been more impressive, than the typical Evangelical Christian, because they shun nationalism and have a good health message.

Also, when they pray things happen.

 

[Sophia7]

The fact of the matter is, there are many ultra conservative Christians behind this new rule and many of these Christians consider Adventists to be in a cult.

That's true; they do, which is why it's not a good idea for some of the posters here to argue with the Nicene Creed if they want to keep their forum.

 

[catlover]

That's true; they do, which is why it's not a good idea for some of the posters here to argue with the Nicene Creed if they want to keep their forum.

I hear you loud and clear Sophia!

 

[OntheDL]

Are you trying to place yourself in the non-Nicene category? Under the new rules that were just announced, if Adventists were declared non-Nicene, you would lose your congregational area.

I'm just pointing out some historic fact and my concerns.

I'm not really worried about it. If the Lord determines our time has ended here in CF, I'm sure He will give us/me something else to do.

 

[OntheDL]

I should make a clarification. Some Adventists agree with the Nicene Creed.

Yes I agree with the trinitarian doctrine established by the Nicene Creed of 325.

But the additional items (Virgin Mary and the holy Universal and apostolic church) that were put in in 381 in the Council of Constantinople, I'm not sure if I can go along with (they need to be clearly defined).

But anyway if the trinity is the issue, I think we are ok. But if this is only the beginning to get rid of the unorthodox groups whose doctrines do not fit in the ecumenical agenda, then I don't think we can be careful enough with we say.

Thanks for your support and concern, Sophia. I appreciate it. The Lord is my strength and my shield...