The seriousness of population control (reduction)

masmpg · Dec 17, 2016

Here is a BBC study, this was just the first one on the list. I have read many of them and they all come to the same conclusion. To use stanford as a credible source is agreeing with the iron mountain report because they were the think tank that wrote it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/scienc...

If humanity would live for each other, even a percentage, this planet could sustain 30 billion population. The whole "sustainability" propaganda pushed by the money mongers, along with the CO2 "climate change" scandal is nothing short of a way to steal money. To blame the consumers, (we, us, population,) on the problems of this planet only addresses a minute aspect of the problem. Certainly we buy the products that the 1%er money mongers rape the planet to create, then use their propaganda machine to sell it to the gullible sheeple who only believe something because they saw it on TV. BUT it is the corporation who will do ANYTHING, did I capitalize that ANYTHING to line their pockets with more money then they can use in 10 lifetimes at the expense of environment, society, morality, especially morality, ETC.

Notice in the article by the BBC they said that birth rates have been declining for decades all over the world. IF, this is a huge IF we allow mother earth to be, even somewhat in charge, at least more then we do today, she will fix herself automatically. The solution this article comes to is the same solution I have been promoting for over 40 years, ever since I read the Iron Mountain Report in the early 70's.

One more thing about stanford, they are promoting the propaganda lie that many people must die! This BBC article refutes that ever growing idiocy of mass murder. Bill Gates is not only using sterilization, but these vaccines are poisonous! People die from them especially in places we never hear about it. What I tell those who push for population control "reduction" is "YOU FIRST"!

masmpg · Dec 17, 2016

masmpg said:
Here is a BBC study, this was just the first one on the list. I have read many of them and they all come to the same conclusion. To use stanford as a credible source is agreeing with the iron mountain report because they were the think tank that wrote it.

Report From Iron Mountain - On the Possibility and Desirability of Peace

Here is a link to the Iron Mountain Report. This is probably the main road map for our civilization today. I have been watching the solutions and conclusions invented by this think tank being carried out since I read it in the 70s. This report was put together by the Stanford institute. A think tank was created to "study" the feasibility of a world without weapons or war. The findings are astounding to me. This report is the blueprint for what the politicians of the world are working toward. It came out in the late 60s and the USA has been trying to implement its ridiculous solutions ever since. Some of the conclusions they have come to sound great on paper, but when we add a human factor instead of letting mother nature take her course we pervert the whole time line of civilization. If we look to early civilizations, like the mayans, incas, and such they seemingly disappeared for some strange reason. I know there is an explanation to why, but the answers are human intervention instead of mother earth repairing herself.

My personal conclusion is a big WHY! I know why's are an invalid argument but humanity has shown, during certain minuscule times that humanity can get along even with weapons. The problems always arise when someone wants more then someone else instead of being satisfied with what they have. Human nature is sin,and without God, which is where we are heading, man becomes, well, we are starting to see what Godless world will be like. The French revolution will bare witness to the horrors of Godlessness.

timewerx · Dec 17, 2016

masmpg said:
If humanity would live for each other, even a percentage, this planet could sustain 30 billion population.

We could do a lot of incredible things if we live for each other. We could even reach the stars, eliminate poverty.

Although at 30 billion, it would be quite a stretch. To have everyone living decently at 30 billion rules out capitalistic economy. It would have to be socialistic run by robots to eliminate corruption.

masmpg · Dec 17, 2016

timewerx said:
We could do a lot of incredible things if we live for each other. We could even reach the stars, eliminate poverty.

Although at 30 billion, it would be quite a stretch. To have everyone living decently at 30 billion rules out capitalistic economy. It would have to be socialistic run by robots to eliminate corruption.

I use this as an example. I have read many articles and studies on this topic, and have been totally amazed at some of the blatant outright admissions that we MUST kill millions of people in order to "preserve" our planet. The 30 billion is just the max this planet will hold. But if you read the BBC article they state that population will level off. They state that birth rates have been declining for decades. I have read other articles that state that population might get to around 13 billion and then retract back to 9 billion and level off.

timewerx · Dec 17, 2016

masmpg said:
I use this as an example. I have read many articles and studies on this topic, and have been totally amazed at some of the blatant outright admissions that we MUST kill millions of people in order to "preserve" our planet. The 30 billion is just the max this planet will hold. But if you read the BBC article they state that population will level off. They state that birth rates have been declining for decades. I have read other articles that state that population might get to around 13 billion and then retract back to 9 billion and level off.

30 billion is doable in a more socialistic arrangement but it would be tight.

It would be decently survivable if we could fully utilize advanced technology. But some people would still have to cut back on food....The advantage of which, we'll all be fit and trim, nobody is going to be obese, nor overweight!

But as much as I agree with you. I'm also rooting for reduced population by regulating birth rates like a one child policy. We could reduce global population to as little as 10 million in just 100 years using such method.

The advantage of a low population is much simpler logistics of sustaining human population, absolute elimination of poverty, and have everyone live in luxury, each with a massive real-estate, maintained and served by robots. It would be like heaven and the Earth could be made green again! It's a win-win situation!

visionary · Dec 17, 2016

We are toxically sterilizing our population, and that in itself will take out the exponential birth explosion that they seem to worry about.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 17, 2016

Nature will take care of the population problem. Several years ago the then very large whitetail deer population crashed here in Wisconsin and also in many other states, and has not recovered. No cause has been found to date. Also no bodies have been found; they just disappeared. There are many species that have boom and bust populations and the reasons are not fully understood.

The more people that are crammed into a small space the more problems arise. That should be an indicator that there are too many people and that quality of life will suffer. As there is an 'ideal' class size in school there is also an ideal population density, and we have already exceeded it in many places.

Overpopulation pressure is folded into the culture, so it seems normal. However it is not socially sustainable, even if everyone has enough material goods. People need space, elbow room, in their lives.

CrystalDragon · Dec 17, 2016

masmpg said:
Report From Iron Mountain - On the Possibility and Desirability of Peace

Here is a link to the Iron Mountain Report. This is probably the main road map for our civilization today. I have been watching the solutions and conclusions invented by this think tank being carried out since I read it in the 70s. This report was put together by the Stanford institute. A think tank was created to "study" the feasibility of a world without weapons or war. The findings are astounding to me. This report is the blueprint for what the politicians of the world are working toward. It came out in the late 60s and the USA has been trying to implement its ridiculous solutions ever since. Some of the conclusions they have come to sound great on paper, but when we add a human factor instead of letting mother nature take her course we pervert the whole time line of civilization. If we look to early civilizations, like the mayans, incas, and such they seemingly disappeared for some strange reason. I know there is an explanation to why, but the answers are human intervention instead of mother earth repairing herself.

My personal conclusion is a big WHY! I know why's are an invalid argument but humanity has shown, during certain minuscule times that humanity can get along even with weapons. The problems always arise when someone wants more then someone else instead of being satisfied with what they have. Human nature is sin,and without God, which is where we are heading, man becomes, well, we are starting to see what Godless world will be like. The French revolution will bare witness to the horrors of Godlessness.

"Starting to see what Godless world will be like. The French revolution will bare witness to the horrors of Godlessness."

You say that as if. civilizations that don't worship God are depraved while civilizations who do focus on God's word are perfect. Reportedly some countries where most people aren't religious report less crime, and I'd hardly call the Crusades "perfect".

The world isn't so black-and-white.

masmpg · Dec 17, 2016

CrystalDragon said:
"Starting to see what Godless world will be like. The French revolution will bare witness to the horrors of Godlessness."

You say that as if. civilizations that don't worship God are depraved while civilizations who do focus on God's word are perfect. Reportedly some countries where most people aren't religious report less crime, and I'd hardly call the Crusades "perfect".

The world isn't so black-and-white.

Civilizations that have digressed into godlessness do in fact have horrifying ends. Yes it is indeed that black and white. To say that there "are" godless civilizations the report less crime is a misnomer because that civilization has not been around for very long. In fact I would like you to name one godless civilization today. I never even mentioned the non Christian crusades! To blame the crusades on Christianity is like saying godless societies are Christlike. But I will say this, the crusades are coming soon to a reality near you. The right wing moral backlash will be far worse then the immoral legislation of obama and the left. Just because people profess Christianity does not make it so. Just because the right end of the political spectrum associate themselves with "Christianity" does not mean they even know Jesus let alone follow through with their profession to "follow Him".

masmpg · Dec 17, 2016

OldWiseGuy said:
Nature will take care of the population problem. Several years ago the then very large whitetail deer population crashed here in Wisconsin and also in many other states, and has not recovered. No cause has been found to date. Also no bodies have been found; they just disappeared. There are many species that have boom and bust populations and the reasons are not fully understood.

The more people that are crammed into a small space the more problems arise. That should be an indicator that there are too many people and that quality of life will suffer. As there is an 'ideal' class size in school there is also an ideal population density, and we have already exceeded it in many places.

Overpopulation pressure is folded into the culture, so it seems normal. However it is not socially sustainable, even if everyone has enough material goods. People need space, elbow room, in their lives.

I should have written it human population. Human are the destroyers of earth, but a very small percentage, usually the ones with the most money and power, I refer to as the 1%ers, are the culprits that use group or gang mentality to force people to take sides. Most humans haven't the intelligence to understand this so they follow the group just because the group says so. Like watching TV. Many will only believe something because they saw it on TV. The desire to live and let live is a human trait that hangs by a thread, and is easily traded for money. This is one of the biggest reasons why humanity is killing mother earth. Corporations rape the planet for natural resources in the name of their god $$$. The gullible TV watcher is mesmerized by the commercials they are bombarded with every minute of every day that the stupid box is on. The consumer heads to the nearest store to purchase the thing they just saw on TV whether they need it or not. This vicious cycle goes on and on and on. I have been doing all I can to break it since I turned my TV off in 1989. America has become so in tune with the TV that they depend on it for everything which causes corporations to rape mother nature more and create more trash for the consumer. This is what is killing this planet. NOT CO2.

If you read the article you will find that population does indeed cure itself. Birth rates have been in decline for decades, so population is slowing. I have read articles that state the population will peak at around 13 billion and fall back to around 9 billion and level off until a large die off, which no doubt will be man made.

masmpg · Dec 17, 2016

I am noticing that not many are reading the article before they comment.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 17, 2016

masmpg said:
I am noticing that not many are reading the article before they comment.

I read the article. It's mostly an opinion piece. Regarding population now and in the future; there are too many people now. We've already reached, and gone over, the tipping point. The present numbers are sufficient to destroy the planet.

OldWiseGuy · Dec 17, 2016

masmpg said:
Corporations rape the planet for natural resources in the name of their god $$$.

America has become so in tune with the TV that they depend on it for everything which causes corporations to rape mother nature more and create more trash for the consumer. This is what is killing this planet. NOT CO2.

I think one needs to take a close look at the stock market as well. "Going public' is a making a deal with the devil. The companies are often held hostage by their own stockholders, who demand that the company shows a profit so their investment continues to profit. Issuing common stock is like borrowing money that you don't have to pay back. However the value must be upheld by ever rising profits, often at the cost of the environment.

The moral thing would be for these companies to buy back their stock over time so they won't be held captive by the stockholders.

masmpg · Dec 17, 2016

We need to understand that the majority of stock holders are not Joe public who plays the market. Most of the stock holders are investment firms and corporations themselves which buy out competition by obtaining the majority of stock.

So do you think euthanasia is necessary, or forced sterilization through vaccinations like Bill Gates says?

OldWiseGuy · Dec 18, 2016

masmpg said:
We need to understand that the majority of stock holders are not Joe public who plays the market. Most of the stock holders are investment firms and corporations themselves which buy out competition by obtaining the majority of stock.

Any company can buy back it's stock. If investors see a stock's value declining, and they know that the company is trying to retire it's common stock, they will sell. Of course this would be done over time, not precipitously.

My point is that the stockholders/stock price shouldn't have as much control of a company's direction as they sometimes do. Many companies expand to protect profits and show investors good numbers well beyond what is good for the company and often beyond what they desire to do with the company. It's a growth spiral that often goes out of control.

That said many companies have a strong enough market presence that they don't worry about their stock price even if it dips from time to time.

Armoured · Dec 18, 2016

masmpg said:
Here is a BBC study, this was just the first one on the list. I have read many of them and they all come to the same conclusion. To use stanford as a credible source is agreeing with the iron mountain report because they were the think tank that wrote it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/scienc...

If humanity would live for each other, even a percentage, this planet could sustain 30 billion population. The whole "sustainability" propaganda pushed by the money mongers, along with the CO2 "climate change" scandal is nothing short of a way to steal money. To blame the consumers, (we, us, population,) on the problems of this planet only addresses a minute aspect of the problem. Certainly we buy the products that the 1%er money mongers rape the planet to create, then use their propaganda machine to sell it to the gullible sheeple who only believe something because they saw it on TV. BUT it is the corporation who will do ANYTHING, did I capitalize that ANYTHING to line their pockets with more money then they can use in 10 lifetimes at the expense of environment, society, morality, especially morality, ETC.

Notice in the article by the BBC they said that birth rates have been declining for decades all over the world. IF, this is a huge IF we allow mother earth to be, even somewhat in charge, at least more then we do today, she will fix herself automatically. The solution this article comes to is the same solution I have been promoting for over 40 years, ever since I read the Iron Mountain Report in the early 70's.

One more thing about stanford, they are promoting the propaganda lie that many people must die! This BBC article refutes that ever growing idiocy of mass murder. Bill Gates is not only using sterilization, but these vaccines are poisonous! People die from them especially in places we never hear about it. What I tell those who push for population control "reduction" is "YOU FIRST"!

Are they saying "people must die", or just "maybe stop pumping so many new people into a critically strained environment"?

Armoured · Dec 18, 2016

masmpg said:
So do you think euthanasia is necessary, or forced sterilization through vaccinations like Bill Gates says?

When did Bill Gates say that?

OldWiseGuy · Dec 18, 2016

Armoured said:
When did Bill Gates say that?

Maybe he wants to reduce the population of poor people that can't afford to buy computers.

masmpg · Dec 19, 2016

Armoured said:
When did Bill Gates say that?

A while ago I downloaded the video where gates flat out says "we can reduce population by half through vaccinations". He was not even referring to sterilization either! Since then the Clinton News Network CNN edited it drastically and now the same video makes no sense at all. Try looking on you tube about bill gates and population reduction.

masmpg · Dec 19, 2016

OldWiseGuy said:
Any company can buy back it's stock. If investors see a stock's value declining, and they know that the company is trying to retire it's common stock, they will sell. Of course this would be done over time, not precipitously.

Crapitalism in a nutshell 101. In a crapitalistic society more money has to be made by the "free enterprise" guaranteed by crapitalism. The more money made the more profit needed year by year. We have come to the place where there is no more money to be made, actually this happened when the printing presses incessantly started printing fiat money. The only way for corporations to profit today is by sucking up smaller companies and creating monopolies. This, in turn creates fascism, which is when corporations purchase our political process. This is obvious by who we just elected president. Trump is a corporatist, and is lining his cabinet with corporatist evangelicals. What comes next will be of a most startling nature. We might have it good for four years, but the next term of Trump, or Pence, whoever is left will be quite extreme.

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