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2 million years isn't really overnight...
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2 million years isn't really overnight...The post I responded to originally said the human brain developed over 7 million years, that's not true. The cranial capacity doubled over night and all those changes became permanently fixed in our Hominid line, about 2mya.
Would actual peer reviewed scientific evidence suffice or do you require a chase around the mulberry bush?
Happenstance that a creation myth would seem similar to what Science has discovered independently - that supports the point I made about there being far more valid creation myths than the biblical narrative...In the Hindu religion our reality is actually part of a dream Brahma is having in a pool. In pagan mythology of a more western variety creation did not go back to the gods, the gods were created by elementals:
When in the height heaven was not named,From those waters life was created from the the salt and fresh water marshes that were mixed in the original creation. In pagan mythology even the gods were created from natural elements, earth, air, fire and/or water. There is another myth behind Darwinism that sounds strangely similar to Enuma Elish:
And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,
And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both
Their waters were mingled together,
And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
When of the gods none had been called into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;
Then were created the gods in the midst of heaven, (Enuma Elish, The Epic of Creation)
ORGANIC LIFE beneath the shoreless waves
Was born and nurs'd in Ocean's pearly caves;
First forms minute, unseen by spheric glass,
Move on the mud, or pierce the watery mass;
These, as successive generations bloom
New powers acquire, and larger limbs assume;
Whence countless groups of vegetation spring,
And breathing realms of fin, and feet, and wing. (The Temple of Nature By Erasmus Darwin)
Frontispiece to The Temple of Nature.
Well, the biblical account doesn't look all that dissimilar to any of the other creation myths when you aren't invested wholly into it to start with - they're all much like each other and likewise unique for their own special reasons.Your right about one thing, most creation myths are very much alike, and very much unlike the Biblical account of creation.
Which one would you like to discuss first?
- 60 de novo (brand new) brain related genes with no known molecular mechanism to produce them.
Already did and it's an obvious fact that the cranial capacity was between 400cc and 500cc until about 2mya. If you don't know that much sorry about your luck, would you like to try paleontology?Peer reviewed would be excellent.
I read through your provided evidence, none of it has anything to do with a doubling of the cranial capacity overnight.
Had I the time I'd be happy to address all these other tangents. I don't, so can't.
Back on topic, please provide the genetic evidence that the cranial capacity doubled overnight.
The rise of Hominid cranial capacity is.2 million years isn't really overnight...
Fine, your thoughts on the paper would be helpful.
Your ignoring the connection to naturalistic, and I do mean elemental forces is conspicuous.Happenstance that a creation myth would seem similar to what Science has discovered independently - that supports the point I made about there being far more valid creation myths than the biblical narrative...
Well, the biblical account doesn't look all that dissimilar to any of the other creation myths when you aren't invested wholly into it to start with - they're all much like each other and likewise unique for their own special reasons.
List of creation myths - Wikipedia
In a word, no, there are no others, there is only one God who created the universe and life on this planet. The pagan myths are all naturalistic in their orientation, that much is clear from their myths both modern and ancient.Maybe join Dawkins "Circle of Reason" for $85 a month. The topic may come up.
My statement actually said he did not say no such thing. Perhaps read it again. Thanks!
I have noticed most won't delve into metaphysics. That is why a classical education used to include theology even in the more secular of universities. Without it an education is incomplete. Mankind is a curious lot with consciousness and the ability to love. Most other disciplines fail to address this.
There is if one wished to examine such. From what you have written thus far, it is apparent your knowledge of the Hebrew and Christian faiths comes from the skeptics annotated bible and various anti Theist websites. No serious student of theology would come up with the nickel and dime assertions you promote.
Is there any other deity claiming to be the One True God and Creator? Has any others directly interacted with humans revealing themselves?
Perhaps we could discuss that one in the philosophy section.
Show me the others.
Fine, your thoughts on the paper would be helpful.
Already did
and it's an obvious fact that the cranial capacity was between 400cc and 500cc until about 2mya. If you don't know that much sorry about your luck, would you like to try paleontology?
I already did provide the genetic evidence, would you like to read it again?
Well I certainly didn't say they weren't beliefs... did I? What you'll likely find though is scientific evidence to support our beliefs. This doesn't make them correct by any stretch, but they certainly aren't based on unevidenced writings that are thousands of years old written by long lost civilisations that didn't understand the universe they found themselves in.You do realize that this whole paragraph is full of beliefs, right? The idea that all people deserve equal treatment is a belief, as is the claim that the environment is something that we should care about. Beliefs I share, sure, but that doesn't make them magically not beliefs anymore.
Good point and I'm glad you see that at some point there was a beginning to the universe.
That's not true, the cranial capacity does not approach the hominid range untill 2 million years ago.
If the universe is removed then what is left?
Where were you 10 yrs prior to your conception?
It sounds like you are asserting a universe and subsequent life from nothing is better than a universe from Something.
Appeals to ignorance.
The start point for science today is assumed atheism.
‘’The physicist Paul Davies tells us that “science takes as its starting point the assumption that life wasn’t made by a god or a supernatural being’’
No Divine footprint in the door.
That means God as first cause is eliminated from consideration deemed unscientific meaning scientifically false.
God is demarcated. God refused to be considered. This is atheism.
If you are holding an empty hand (ignorance) then God wins by default.
Atheists have not falsified God.
That being since all your appeals to science means adherence to science method.
Via abduction. See above.
If there are two options then one needs to be eliminated. God exists by necessity.
In the same manner as triangles, squares, equations, and nothing exists. They are abstract entities.
Get back to us when you falsify an intelligent designer.
It's not rigged. It just has one simple rule: provide evidence for your assertions.Let's not presuppose a level playing field when we all know atheists are playing a rigged game.
If science does not deal with absolute certainty then the same or proximate should not be required for God.
Humans are intuitively theistic, moral, and justice seeking. That means we are programmed and that implies a programmer.
No the part you emboldened is called; "prove it with Science", which is rhetorical in origin because I do not think it can proven with Science.
I have explained already in previous posts, currently not in the mood to rehash.
By your assertion the overwhelming vast majority of humanity throughout history have been irrational at the most fundamental level of reality, ultimate reality, is a rather high and lofty assertion
You may call this an ad populum argument, but regardless it is a fact,
along with the mountain of evidences supporting the Judeo/Christian faith mentioned previously.
Do tell of another alternative, do tell.
Science is not the obedient slave to atheism. It was and always has been a no brainer to me. Any Intelligent first causer would falsify atheism which explains nothing. Even if it was not personified. Off to work where ignorance is not tolerated. Not something to hangs ones hat on if required to do productive things on someone else's dime. Have a nice day.
Thanks, but no thanks. lol! That's a religion thing to do... tho probably still cheaper than tithing...Maybe join Dawkins "Circle of Reason" for $85 a month. The topic may come up.
Sorry, my bad! I read it to mean you believed he said that - perhaps surround everything said by someone else in quotes for people like me... sometimes I don't read past first impression reading and the comma made me think you were done with his quote...My statement actually said he did not say no such thing. Perhaps read it again. Thanks!
Well, what value does metaphysics have in Science? Let me help you out here - nothing of value.I have noticed most won't delve into metaphysics. That is why a classical education used to include theology even in the more secular of universities. Without it an education is incomplete. Mankind is a curious lot with consciousness and the ability to love. Most other disciplines fail to address this.
Well then, feel free to correct me anytime you like - It's pretty hard to avoid the bible critiques in these circles but if they're unfounded or misunderstood then surely you can correct me, right?There is if one wished to examine such. From what you have written thus far, it is apparent your knowledge of the Hebrew and Christian faiths comes from the skeptics annotated bible and various anti Theist websites. No serious student of theology would come up with the nickel and dime assertions you promote.
How can you be sure this one has for a start? There are plenty of claims for other Gods being the one true God or even being the first of many gods. Then, there's claims for other gods that your God doesn't make - so i guess all of them have their peculiar traits, and your God is no different.Is there any other deity claiming to be the One True God and Creator? Has any others directly interacted with humans revealing themselves?
...there are so many! Well, here's a few links to get you started but seriously, haven't you read _anything_ else besides your particular bible??Show me the others.
and your evidence?The rise of Hominid cranial capacity is.
what of all the Gods and religions that existed before Zoroastrianism, let alone the Abrahamic religions? Do you have any evidence of this or is it all on faith?In a word, no, there are no others, there is only one God who created the universe and life on this planet. The pagan myths are all naturalistic in their orientation, that much is clear from their myths both modern and ancient.
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