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I was wondering what everyone thinks is the sacred name of God? I have seen the majority of people call god by the name Yahweh or YHWH.

My question is, can anyone here prove why this is the name of God. Where does the name come from and what do the letters represent and where can we find it in scripture?

I believe that I know the answers, after being shown...but I would like to get some other scholars here to see if we are all on the same track, or if we just believe other people with out proving 'things' for ourselves!

So, Jehovah is a transliteration of ???

Joshua was taken from Yeshua, Yehoshua, as they got the Y's wrong, and often used a J in English. The Hebrew language does not have a 'J' sounding letter in it.

So, correctly, the J in Jehovah is wrong and should be a Y.

Most here will understand that,

but do you know where we prove it, because I am saying that it is not Yahweh or YHWH.

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A mish-mash of stuff in the OP.

The majority of Christians have never heard of YHWH.
And, if the spelling of all "Y"s changed to "J"s ... then it is NOT wrong to call this Jehovah.
I don't think you are going to find too many people who say that Jesus is the WRONG name for the Messiah.

You talk about proper transliteration.
This YHWH is a Hebrew word.
English-speaking people can have whatever equivalent they wish to use.
Look into the Bible, and see how many different words YHWH is translated into.
Translations are made so that people (who don't read Hebrew) can understand what is being said.

You ask where in the Bible YHWH is.
Don't you know already?
If not, just read a Jehovah's Witness Bible translation ... they're all in there.
You say: "I believe that I [already] know the answers."
So, why don't you tell us (and NOT keep it a secret)?
 
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Excellent ques, Zeke!


Yahweh, or more correctly, Yahuweh, is God’s name. His personal and proper name means "I Am," and "I Exist."
Yahuweh's name was wriiten 7,000 times in the Old Covenant. This has largely been replaced with the title designation, "Lord".
The notion that YHWH was written without vowels isn’t entirely accurate. There were five vowels, or more precisely, consonant-vowels, in Paleo Hebrew, the alphabet of revelation. The yod represented the "ya" sound and the wah is phonetically conveyed identically to the English "u." Therefore, Yhwh is most correctly transliterated "Yahuweh" in English. Yahweh would also be correct so long as one recognizes that the "w" is pronounced like a "u." There is no mystery here. The correct pronunciation of Yahuweh’s name is preserved in the alphebe God chose to represent it. Yahuweh wrote His name on the Ten Commandments as: hwhy.

In Exodus 3:13-14 God not only tells us His name, He associates it with hayah, and thus He defines it for us. "Moses said to God, ‘Behold, when I come to the children of Yisra’el, and say to them, "The God of your fathers has sent me to you," and they say to me, "What is His name?" what shall I say to them?’ God said to Moses, ‘I am (hayah - I Was, I Am, and I Will Be; I exist) related to (‘asher - directly linked and associated with) existence (hayah).’ He said, ‘Thus shall you say to the children of Yisra’el, "I Was, I Am, and I Will Be (hayah) has sent me to you."’ And God said moreover to Moses, ‘Thus shall you say to the children of Yisra’el, Yahuweh, the God (‘elohiym) of your fathers, the God (‘elohiym) of Abraham, the God (‘elohiym) of Isaac, and the God (‘elohiym) of Ya’aqob has sent me to you. This is My personal and proper name (shem - designation, nature, authority, report, and mark) forever (olam), and this is My way of being known (zeker - remembered and memorialized) unto all generations." (Exodus 3:13-14)


Yahuweh is God’s only name, the way He wants to be addressed, to be known, to be remembered - forever!

"I Am Yahuweh. The blood shall exist (hayah - shall be Yahuweh) to you as a sign, a signal, a miracle, and an awe inspiring event...and this day shall exist (hayah - shall be Yahuweh) to you for a memorial and remembrance, a reminder of something in the past that has particular significance. Keep it set apart as a Festival of Yahuweh...a statute forever (olam)."


"God (‘elohiym) spoke (dabar - declared) all (kol) these (‘ehel) Words (dabar), saying (‘amar - avowing, claiming, commanding, and promising): I am Yahuweh (YHWH) your God (‘elohiym). Because of relationship (‘asher) I came forth to bring (yatsa’) you out of (min - to set you apart from) the house (bayith - the dwelling and abode) of bondage (‘ebed - slavery, servitude, and submission; of work and worship) in the land (‘erets) of Mitsrayim (the crucible of Egypt). You shall not (lo’) establish or institute (hayah - bring into existence or exist with) other (‘acher - different) gods (‘elohiym) beside and beyond (‘al - in addition to) My personal presence (paniym - My face to face appearance before you)." (Exodus 20:1-3)

"You shall not lift up or advance (nasa’ - accept or promote, carry, support, bear, sustain, forgive, or endure) lifelessness (shav’ - that which is desolate, deceitful, deadly, destructive, or damning) in the name (shem - character or renown) of Yahuweh your God (‘elohiym), for I will not consider innocent, forgive, pardon, release, or fail to punish (naqah - free from guilt, exempt, or cleanse) one who by association (‘asher - who takes part in) promotes, sustains, or accepts (nasa’ - lifts up, carries forth, advances, supports, bears, tolerates, or forgives) that which is desolate, deceitful, deadly, destructive, or damning (shav’ - lifeless) in My name." (Exodus 20:7)

. "Don’t let me say (‘amar - think, boast, and avow, ask, answer, and declare): ‘Who (miy) is Yahuweh (YHWH)?’ lest I be disinherited (yarash - impoverished and dispossessed, be destitute and destroyed), caught in the act, arrested, and incarcerated for (taphas) removing without permission and carrying away by stealth (ganab - for secretly stealing and clandestinely removing) the personal and proper name (shem) of my God (‘elohiym)." (Proverbs 30:9)

Yahuweh realized that the translators of the KJV, NKJV, IV, NIV, NASB, and the JPS Tanach would all do this very thing - and that they would do so regardless of His warning. In a Proverb devoted to the importance of knowing Yahuweh’s name, religious clerics replaced the personal and proper name "Yahuweh" with: "Who is the Lord?" That’s really bad because the Hebrew title Ba’al, (Lord-Ba'al),means Lord, and Ba’al is Satan.

One of the reasons I have hyphenated Lord-Ba’al is to confirm a theologically crucial concept: the primary use and literal meaning of the Hebrew word ba’al in most all Semitic languages was "lord." Ba’al was considered to be "the owner" - as in "the Lord" with a capital "L." In fact, for most Babylonians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Philistines, Canaanites, and now Israelites, Ba’al was God. At the very least, Ba’al represented the spirit clerics and kings presented as God. Ba’al was Lord; that’s what ba’al means.

"And it shall be at that day, declares Yahuweh, you shall call Me husband (ishi - extant, present, in existence, a high and mighty individual or man); and shall call Me (qara - summon Me as and read aloud) My Lord (ba’ali) never again (halo owd - no more, no longer). For I will remove and reject the names of the Lords (Ba’alim - false gods) out of her mouth, and they shall be proclaimed (zakar - remembered, recalled, and mentioned) by their name no more." (Hosea 2:16-17)

Yahuweh longs for a time that Lord will never again be spoken, remembered, or read.

One of the most popular Bible translations is the New American Standard. If you look at the "Preface," you will find that it concludes with these words: "The Proper Name for God: To professing Christians, whether of conservative or liberal persuasion, the name of God is most significant and understandably so. It is inconceivable to think of spiritual matters without a proper designation for the Supreme Deity. Thus the most common name for deity is God, a translation of the original Elohim." That’s not true - god, like elohiym, is a word, not a name, which is why it’s translated and not transliterated.

The preface continues: "The normal word for Master is Lord, a rendering of Adonai." This is designed to purposely mislead based upon what follows. First, adonai is a word and a title and not a name - although it became a name, that of the sun god Adonis. Second, adonai means master. Third, used as a name, Lord is the name of the Satanic sun god Ba’al. And fourth, Yahuweh has but one name. So the NASB editors are lying when they claim: "There is yet another name which is particularly assigned to God as His special or proper name, that is, the four letters YHWH. See Exodus 3 and Isaiah 42:8. This name has not been pronounced by the Jews because of reverence for the great sacredness of the divine name. Therefore, it was consistently pronounced and translated LORD." This is also untrue. Yahuweh was replaced by Ba’al-Lord. Yahuweh was never pronounced or translated Lord.

Since a translation by definition, translates the meaning of a word in one language into its equivalent meaning in another, if the following sentence were accurate, the editors of the NASB translated Yahuweh into Ba’al. "The only exception to this translation of YHWH is when it occurs in immediate proximity to the word Lord, that is, Adonai. In that case it is regularly translated God in order to avoid confusion." Actually, it was done to avoid making the NASB translators look stupid. Rendering adonai YHWH (actually ‘edon Yahuweh), as Lord LORD would only serve to reveal their folly.

The NASB crew conclude with this parting salvo: "It is known that for many years YHWH has been transliterated as Yahweh. No complete certainty attaches to the pronunciation. However, it is felt by many who are in touch with the laity of our churches that this name conveys no religious or spiritual overtones. It is strange, uncommon, and without sufficient religious and devotional background. No amount of scholarly debate can overcome this deficiency. Hence, it was decided to avoid the use of this name in the translation proper." So, let’s call Yahuweh Ba’al. After all, "Yahuweh’s name conveys no spiritual overtones. His name is strange and uncommon. No scholarly debate between men can overcome this deficiency."

If Yahuweh is just, when the Warrens, and Schullers, the Bakkers and Kennedys, the Hinns and Hagees, and lest we forget, Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II), arrive in His presence, wouldn’t He be compelled to say that their names have no religious or spiritual meaning to Him - that they are deficient and strange, and thus must be strangers. After all, consider the cost and consequence of their proclamations and preaching. As a name, LORD is Ba’al. Therefore, these men have perpetuated the most grievous deception in the history of mankind. They have helped Satan achieve his ultimate ambition - to have his name replace Yahuweh's name.

If you own an NIV translation, don’t gloat. It says: "In regard to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as ‘LORD’ in capital letters to distinguish it from Adonai, another Hebrew word rendered ‘Lord,’ for which small letters are used." Let’s change Yahuweh’s name to the device used by Ba’al because other morons did the same thing before us.

And who were those morons you ask? Open your King James Bible and weep. The title page reads: "King James Version - TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE: JAMES." That should have been sufficient to burn the book. This was King James’ version, not Yahuweh’s. And the Most High and Mighty Prince was James, not Yahushua, not even Jesus.

The opening paragraph reveals the nature of the translation for those who are wary. The favored English translation of the day was the Geneva Bible. It correctly pointed out in its introduction that there was no divine authorization in Scripture designating kings over any nation other than Israel. So King James coveting a divine sanction had his morons write: "Great and manifold were the blessings, most dread Sovereign, which Almighty God, the Father of all mercies, bestowed upon us the people of England, when first he sent Your Majesty’s Royal Person to rule and reign over us." Yahuweh was relegated to a lower case "he" while James was promoted to a parade of capitals designating deity. The KJV was for him, after all.

The dark spirit behind this politically inspired religious twist is revealed in the next line: "For whereas it was the expectation of many, who wished not well unto our Sion, that upon the setting of that bright Occidental Star, Queen Elizabeth of most happy memory, some think and palpable clouds of darkness would so have overshadowed this Land, that men should have been in doubt which way they were to walk; and that it should be hardly known who was to direct the unsettled State; the appearance of Your Majesty, as of the Sun in his strength, instantly dispelled those supposed and surmised mists, and gave unto all that were well affected exceeding cause of comfort; especially when we beheld the Government established in Your Highness and Your hopeful Seed, by an undoubted Title."

Three terms were capitalized and italicized. Sion means heir so it’s referencing James. The Occidental Star is the sun as it is the bright star which sets in the West. Applied to Elizabeth it is revealing. Her principal viceroy, John Dee, was an occultist, and in her only official portrait, the Queen is clothed in satanic sun god images. This becomes even more blatant, and satanic, when we read that James’ appearance was "as of the Sun." The reason Sion, Occidental Star, and Sun are capitalized is that they represent deity - unfortunately the wrong spirit in that the sun is symbolic of Halal, the Satan or Adversary, best known as Lord-Ba’al.

So this means that Yahuweh’s Scriptures were plastered over and whitewashed by politically inspired clerics to serve the arrogance and power lust of a man who saw himself representing the Sun. The primary Bible of the Protestant Church was corrupted to empower and enrich clerics and kings.

Then putting in a plug for themselves and their boss, the scholars who crafted this beguiling propaganda falsely attributed to God by cleric and king wrote that all will be blessed: "by religious and learned discourse...and by cherishing the Teachers thereof, by caring for the Church, as a most tender and loving nursing Father." Of course the Father, was James in this context, not Yahuweh, the Scriptures are anti-religious, men’s teachings aren’t to be cherished.

So the Lords of England who saw themselves as the Masters and Owners of England, saw fit to apply their title to God, calling Yahuweh Lord. Three centuries later we remain mired in their mess. The key to understanding the Scriptures - Yahuweh’s name - has been removed and replaced with Satan’s. But these human lords had coconspirators. The Yahudim who failed to heed Hosea’s plea, were hauled off to Babylon - the most overtly Satanic place on earth. As a result of their stay, Jews began the process of transitioning from Yahuweh to Ba’al by writing adonai above the Creator’s name. Willfully ignorant and morally bankrupt, priest and politician, congregation and constituent, play merrily along - just like lemmings lunging into the abyss.

You'll never, never, find "Lord" in any preconstantinian text.
 
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A mish-mash of stuff in the OP.

The majority of Christians have never heard of YHWH.
I should clarify, most that I have conversed with on forums such as this one. Also, many people that I see at church and on TV ministries use the name Yahweh and YHWH.

And, if the spelling of all "Y"s changed to "J"s ... then it is NOT wrong to call this Jehovah.
I realize that the name Jehovah is a transliteration from Hebrew into English, of the sacred name of the Covenant God.

I don't think you are going to find too many people who say that Jesus is the WRONG name for the Messiah.
I never said that Jesus was unacceptable. I use Jesus all the time. I also use Yeshua, and Messiah, and Christ, and Son of God, and Lord. Yeshua is the correct name which is transliterated from the Hebrew into the English Joshua. You will see the same examples of "Y"'s into "J"'s many times. Jeremiah, Jacob, and Jehovah.

You talk about proper transliteration.
Just asking a question. The question had more than one motive. One was learning and teaching. The other was to see if one just accepts what a man says, or if one wills search out truth in the Bible to check the teacher out.

This YHWH is a Hebrew word.
No it is not (at least that's what I want to prove).

English-speaking people can have whatever equivalent they wish to use.
No problem. I agree.


Look into the Bible, and see how many different words YHWH is translated into.
None, but I understand what you mean. The sacred name was not called many names but only one, and that is what we are here to discover. I am saying that it is not YHWH or Yahweh.

Translations are made so that people (who don't read Hebrew) can understand what is being said.
Again, no problem.

You ask where in the Bible YHWH is.
Not really, I asked where the name comes from, what the letters represent, and where in scripture the letters can be found that proves the sacred name.

Don't you know already?
Yes, I believe know.

If not, just read a Jehovah's Witness Bible translation ... they're all in there.
I never have read a JW bible nor have any desire to.

You say: "I believe that I [already] know the answers."
So, why don't you tell us (and NOT keep it a secret)?
It was a leading question, to which lokt answered, rightly or wrongly.

There was no ill intent meant, and I really don't know why you think that there is?

Since it is provable, and God put it there to find and use, shouldn't we use it (if we are) properly? That is one of the points.

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Lokt, thank-you for the greeting.

You know that someone told me that it wasn't Yahweh or YHWH, and I wanted to know for sure, so I looked into it, and when I did, I found out that it is not. So, where is it locked into scripture? It is in an acrostic in Esther. 5 of them. Also in Psalms. That is where the Tetragrammaton comes from, but it is not YHWH.

It is YHVH. It is actually quite clear.

When they transliterated It to Jehovah, they messed up on the J but they got the V correct. YaHaVeH, is how I pronounce it.

The W is not there, but each time the V is there.

Here is an excerpt from a post I found online, the whole post is actually quite good...the story in Esther as told from 1st person prospective.

well here is the part that I want you to read, that helps prove the V instead of the W

In the Hebrew text describing this event the first hidden appearance of God's name appears. The first letters of the Hebrew words for "all the women will respect" in what is now called verse 20 of chapter 1 form the acrostic acronym YHVH, the initials of God's Name. There are a total of four such appearances.

This one is spoken about the queen.

The next will be spoken by the queen (5:4) and like it is made up of first letters.

In both cases where the acronym consists of first letters the initial facts of an event are being revealed.

The third one will be spoken about Haman, (5:13) and the fourth by Haman (7:7).

These two are made up of the last letters of the Hebrew words in the respective passages, and both times the final stages of events are being described.

All four of these acronyms consist of the letters YHVH.


The first and third acronyms are spoken by gentiles and read left to right like all languages west of Jerusalem.

The second and fourth are spoken by Israelites and read right to left like all languages east of Jerusalem.


There is also a fifth one (7:5) made up of last letters but in reverse order, and in this one the letters used are EHVH, another form of the Name of God, the one He used at the burning bush and that we translate "I am".

That makes five concealed appearances of God's name. Five is the number of grace and indeed my story is a beautiful illustration of the Grace of God, concealed in the Old Testament, but revealed in the New.

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/the-bible-thru-the-eyes-of-its-writers/esthers-story-part-1

So, next is to list the scriptures here in both English and Hebrew and see what we find. Do you agree?

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Quite correct.

However . . . wherever one falls on the exact vowels to provide is going to be sketchy.

We can get a better sense when we look at Ex. 3 . . . the Tetragrammaton comes on the heels of a statement that God makes about Himself concerning His existence . . . the "I am that I am" . . .

Ex 3:13-15
13 Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" 14 God said to Moses, " I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ' I AM has sent me to you.'"
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So the Hebrew in the context provides a better understanding as to the pronunciation and provision of sounds and letters to the Y (yod) H (he) V/W (vod/wod) H (he).

Ehayah ehsher ehayah . . . ehayah being the closest in construct. This doesn't help much with trying to determine vod or wod . . . although linguisticaly I believe the proper pronunciation would be with a "V" seeing that the letter is the Vau.

But the point is that we are never going to come to a solid and completely provable stance because the Jews removed the vowels for the purpose of sanctifying His name He gave Himself . . . but I am sure we shall know in eternity!
 
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Zeke/Matt, the script I cited is the oldest known extant script available. I cited a few of thousands of passages that clearly teach the proper and personal name of Yahuweh. All other translations range from virtually useless to horrible via political and religious agendas. However, the choice is yours to make. You ask, I told.
My God's name is Yahuweh.
 
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I just think that the safest place to land is calling God . . . Jesus!

Amen!
 
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Anybody can claim they know, and that includes all teachers, and whatever...

If you are a serious student of the Bible, you check it out for yourselves, to the best of your abilities.

So, if you saw the Hebrew, and the letter was V and not W, would you then agree???...if!!!

That is why I suggested that 'we' do it for ourselves, and see 'for our selves'.

Would you like to do this, right here?


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This quote is from an article that was posted on another thread:

When we examine some of the oldest Hebrew Biblical texts that are pointed with vowels, or niqqudot, we will find a number of different pronunciations if read as written. Some have theorized that certain vowels were written under YHWH so that the reader would be alerted to pronounce other titles such as Adonay or Elohiym instead of YHWH. I have also read some convincing arguments that contest that theory. Below are some of the various pronunciations, if read as written, that are found in the Leningrad Codex. This codex is from the Ben Asher family of texts, that are referenced in the OT translation of many of our modern versions, and is dated approximately 1008 ce:

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    [*] [FONT=&quot]YeHWaH ~ Jeremiah 3:25[/FONT]
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    [*] [FONT=&quot]YHoWaH ~ Genesis 18:17[/FONT]
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    [*] [FONT=&quot]YeHoWaH ~ Genesis 3:14 [/FONT]
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    [*] [FONT=&quot]YHWiH ~ Psalms 68:21[/FONT]
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    [*] [FONT=&quot]YeHWiH ~ Genesis 15:2, 8 [/FONT]
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    [*] [FONT=&quot]YeHoWiH ~ 1 Kings 2:26 , Judges 16:28[/FONT]
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    [*] [FONT=&quot]YaHWaH ~ Psalms 144:15[/FONT]
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http://www.seekgod.ca/htname.htm
 
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it is the consonant "V" where you believe it is "W"

We for the most part were discussing His Covenant name being taken from the tetragrammaton, which is 4 letters, as either YHWH or YHVH.

It is YHVH.

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it is the consonant "V" where you believe it is "W"

We for the most part were discussing His Covenant name being taken from the tetragrammaton, which is 4 letters, as either YHWH or YHVH.

It is YHVH.

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Only in modern Hebrew, It is "W" in Biblical Hebrew.
 
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Could you prove that?

From a scholarly Biblical Hebrew forum:

http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2004-April/017934.html

http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2003-July/015978.html

Transcription Guidelines

Officially, the B-Hebrew forum transcribes Hebrew in our posts using the Michigan-Claremont-Westminster scheme(MCW) as shown below. In practice, however, the adherence of the list members to the MCW is rather relaxed, so we also assume that members have Hebrew Bibles handy for reference. When an alphabetic sequence is particularly critical to a discussion, members may want to write out the sequence in words, e.g., "The Hebrew spelling of _Adam_ is aleph-qamets-dalet-qamets-mem."

Consonants Aleph ) or ' Beth B Gimel G Daleth D Heh H Waw W Zayin Z Cheth X Teth + Yod Y Kaph K Lamedh L Mem M Nun N Samek S Pe P Ayin ( or ` Tsade C Qoph Q Resh R Sin & Shin $ Tav T

Vowels Patah A Qamets F Segol E Tsere " Hireq I Holem O Qamets Chatuf F Qibbuts U Shureq WShewa : Hatef Patah :A Hatef Segol :E Hatef Qamets :F

Miscellaneous Ketiv * Qere ** Dagesh . Meqqeph -

http://www.ibiblio.org/bhebrew/
 
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