The Sabbath is the 'Lords Day', not Sunday.

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2023

Reasonably Sane said:
The more I think about it and read the bible, pray, and meditate on the purpose of life, the more I'm convinced our life in this reality is a form of boot camp. We're here to learn, and apply what we learn in eternity. I'm sure it's far complicated than that, but it's the best I can do with my limited information.

I believe its our test, just like the Israelites were tested, just like Adam and Eve were tested, which is why I feel its so important to obey God the way He asks.

Hebrews 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’

Hebrews 4:11 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

Reasonably Sane · Dec 19, 2023

SabbathBlessings said:
I believe its our test, just like the Israelites were tested, just like Adam and Eve were tested, which is why I feel its so important to obey God the way He asks.

Hebrews 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’

Hebrews 4:11 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

We agree. But not to put too fine a point on it, we learn from our tests. I think you and I are actually saying the same thing.

SabbathBlessings · Dec 19, 2023

Reasonably Sane said:
We agree. But not to put too fine a point on it, we learn from our tests. I think you and I are actually saying the same thing.

We learn from the mistakes of others in scriptures and by their successes. Not everyone does though. Many think their teachings don't apply to them and recently I learned many believe the teachings of Jesus doesn't apply to them.

reddogs · Dec 23, 2023

Lukaris said:
The thing is the Lord actually declared that the law and prophets are actually the golden rule ( Matthew 7:12). The Lord said that His great commandments are on which the law & prophets depend ( Matthew 22:36-40). Jesus Christ told the rich young man the same commandments ( Matthew 19:16-19) that St. Paul preached to us ( Romans 13:8-10.

The Apostles held council and gave St. Paul etc. the basic instructions per Acts 15:22-31. There is no emphasis on the Saturday sabbath in any of this although it seems to be permitted. The Messianic Jewish community was severely weakened when St. James was martyred ( Acts 12:1-5).

When reading the most ancient, few surviving church accounts, Sunday ( per Matthew 28:9) is clearly the “Lord’s Day”. In Acts 20:7-11, the pattern of Sunday worship was developing. Compare the scripture to this quote from the Didache manual from about 100 AD:

14:1 And on the Lord's own day gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks, first confessing your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.

Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation J. B. Lightfoot).

Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation J. B. Lightfoot). On Early Christian Writings.

www.earlychristianwritings.com

The ancient church communities did not recklessly, or in hostility, spitefully etc. discontinue the Saturday sabbath. Nonetheless the old sabbath was discontinued from early on in most places.

Also don't forget Christ said if he wanted to enter into the 'life' as in eternal life...

Presbyterian Continuist · Dec 26, 2023

reddogs said:
..or the first day (or 'eight day' as some try to call it).

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, not Moses' sabbath, or the Jews sabbath, or anyone Else's sabbath.

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

We see the same.

Deuteronomy 5:12-13
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Again the same.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

It was not 'Moses' sabbath.

Leviticus 19:1-2
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. 3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isaiah 56:4-6
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Ezekiel 20:12-13
12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

Ezek 20:19-24
19I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezekiel 22:8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezekiel 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

The Lord claims the sabbath as His very own. It is a day, therefore it is literally, the Lord's day. This clear so how many times must the Lord call the sabbath His day to understand that there is only one day in the scriptures that would be referred to as the Lord's day? Other than the seventh day sabbath, the Lord's day can also refer to the day on which He will return to this earth. That is all. Sunday, or the first day of the week is never referred to as the Lord's day in the scriptures.

This title was only applied to Sunday later on, to cover their deception. It was applied by those who began the apostasy and abomination which was the result of the amalgamation of apostate Christianity and pagan sun worship.

When Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well, He told her that the day would come when people would not worship in a particular place but they would worship the Lord in Spirit and in truth. When He spoke to Mary Magdalene at the empty tomb He told her not to touch Him as she tried to embrace Him. He said this because He was no longer to be worshiped in the flesh, because now as the risen Lord, He is to worshiped, as God, in Spirit and in truth. It also has been said that after His resurrection and ascension, we relate to Him in the Spirit and not after the flesh, because the flesh profits nothing. And so, because Christ dwells in our hearts by faith, we will not see Him in the flesh until He comes again.

What this means to us is that we no longer are bound to worship Him in any particular place, on any particular day, or at any particular time. These are worship in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore that kind of worship profits nothing. Furthermore, Jesus Himself has become our Sabbath, and therefore overrules all previous instructions about the Sabbath, Therefore we keep the Sabbath by having Christ dwelling in our hearts by faith, and therefore worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

What this means is that those who are trying to worship Christ by keeping either Saturday or Sunday as their "Sabbath" are approaching Him in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore their worship is meaningless and without profit as far as God is concerned.

Reasonably Sane · Dec 27, 2023

Watchman1 said:
When Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well, He told her that the day would come when people would not worship in a particular place but they would worship the Lord in Spirit and in truth. When He spoke to Mary Magdalene at the empty tomb He told her not to touch Him as she tried to embrace Him. He said this because He was no longer to be worshiped in the flesh, because now as the risen Lord, He is to worshiped, as God, in Spirit and in truth. It also has been said that after His resurrection and ascension, we relate to Him in the Spirit and not after the flesh, because the flesh profits nothing. And so, because Christ dwells in our hearts by faith, we will not see Him in the flesh until He comes again.

What this means to us is that we no longer are bound to worship Him in any particular place, on any particular day, or at any particular time. These are worship in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore that kind of worship profits nothing. Furthermore, Jesus Himself has become our Sabbath, and therefore overrules all previous instructions about the Sabbath, Therefore we keep the Sabbath by having Christ dwelling in our hearts by faith, and therefore worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

What this means is that those who are trying to worship Christ by keeping either Saturday or Sunday as their "Sabbath" are approaching Him in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore their worship is meaningless and without profit as far as God is concerned.

If it were not for "do not forsake the gathering together of yourselves", I'd never attend church. But I don't really see it as a time to worship, per se, but as a time to gather with fellow believers as one under our savior and a time to get into "iron sharpening iron" mode. I'd be happy if all we had was sunday school. It's the only part of "church" that really matters to me. And part of the reason is that it enhances my relationship with my fellow man while gathers together with Jesus as our main focus. A friend of mine told me he would choose a new church when he moved to a new town, based on the quality of their potluck. I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. And no, it wasn't about the food. It was about the quality of conversation.

Gary K · Dec 27, 2023

Watchman1 said:
When Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well, He told her that the day would come when people would not worship in a particular place but they would worship the Lord in Spirit and in truth. When He spoke to Mary Magdalene at the empty tomb He told her not to touch Him as she tried to embrace Him. He said this because He was no longer to be worshiped in the flesh, because now as the risen Lord, He is to worshiped, as God, in Spirit and in truth. It also has been said that after His resurrection and ascension, we relate to Him in the Spirit and not after the flesh, because the flesh profits nothing. And so, because Christ dwells in our hearts by faith, we will not see Him in the flesh until He comes again.

What this means to us is that we no longer are bound to worship Him in any particular place, on any particular day, or at any particular time. These are worship in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore that kind of worship profits nothing. Furthermore, Jesus Himself has become our Sabbath, and therefore overrules all previous instructions about the Sabbath, Therefore we keep the Sabbath by having Christ dwelling in our hearts by faith, and therefore worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

What this means is that those who are trying to worship Christ by keeping either Saturday or Sunday as their "Sabbath" are approaching Him in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore their worship is meaningless and without profit as far as God is concerned.

Jesus told Mary why she was not to worship Him.

John 20: 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Your statement is in direct conflict with scripture.

Presbyterian Continuist · Dec 27, 2023

Reasonably Sane said:
If it were not for "do not forsake the gathering together of yourselves", I'd never attend church. But I don't really see it as a time to worship, per se, but as a time to gather with fellow believers as one under our savior and a time to get into "iron sharpening iron" mode. I'd be happy if all we had was sunday school. It's the only part of "church" that really matters to me. And part of the reason is that it enhances my relationship with my fellow man while gathers together with Jesus as our main focus. A friend of mine told me he would choose a new church when he moved to a new town, based on the quality of their potluck. I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. And no, it wasn't about the food. It was about the quality of conversation.

If I was to receive good ministry, Youtube is an excellent resource. This means that receiving good ministry is just one aspect of attending church. If that is one's only reason then they end up being leeches, sucking the life out of those who are working hard to contribute to the life of the church. I have found over the years that being bonded into a group of supportive Christians is essential to being supported and encouraged in the faith. Also, a good fellowship is the place where there are opportunities to serve the Lord with the gifts He has given.

When I moved to Christchurch (NZ) I joined a small church that had around 15 people to a morning service. When I asked the Lord why He put me here, He said, "It is not what you get out of a church, but what you put into it, and these people need someone like you." Within weeks, I found that I became the church treasurer and the property convener, because of my administrative skills. Then they needed someone to be part of the preaching and worship leading team, and because of my MDiv, and experience in leading services, I am on the roster to take a service once every six weeks. Because much of the ministry of the others is on the liberal side, and I have a Reformed Puritan theology, I don't get much out of the ministry that comes over the pulpit. But when I lead a service I teach the Bible and give them the true Gospel of Christ, telling them what Jesus did for them on the Cross and that He was raised from the dead to give them eternal life. I also do the church bulletin and am able to fill it with witty sayings, photos, and jokes to show that our church does have a sense of humour. I have Tuesdays and Thursdays as my church days (I am retired), have lunch with the Op Shop ladies, and involve myself in other community activities.

So for me, going to church is not just sitting in a pew for an hour on Sunday mornings. I am bonded into a supportive fellowship of fellow elderly people who have one foot in the grave just like me at 76 years old, and enjoy every time I have with them. Because of their advanced age, I work to ensure that they know the way to heaven through faith in Christ and His finished work on the Cross. If they end up in heaven with the Lord because of my influence, then I will be more than that satisfied.

That is what church means to me. What does it mean to you?

Presbyterian Continuist · Dec 27, 2023

Gary K said:
Jesus told Mary why she was not to worship Him.

John 20: 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Your statement is in direct conflict with scripture.

The point I am making is that we don't worship a physical Jesus. The Scripture is quite clear that we don't worship Jesus in the flesh, but He dwells in our hearts by faith. Mary was totally devoted to Jesus before His crucifixion and resurrection. She most probably would have embraced Him, walked arm in arm with Him, and held His hand many times. This was not romantic, but out of gratitude that He rescued her from a life dominated by evil, having cast seven demons out of her. So, in the garden, she went to do the same thing that she had always done, moved to embrace Him. But now, Jesus was different, and so her relationship with Him was totally changed from being in the flesh to being in the Spirit. Therefore it was no longer appropriate for her to have physical contact with Him.

She would have experienced the full revelation of how worship was going to be when in the upper room, she was one of the group on whom the Holy Spirit fell on the day of Pentecost. Then she knew what it was to worship Christ in Spirit and in truth.

The lesson for us is that we do not relate to Christ in the flesh, but through the indwelling Holy Spirit. This is why I don't believe the reports of physical visitations of Jesus, or people going to heaven and meeting Jesus and coming back to report it. We won't see the physical Jesus until He comes again, and in the meantime, He dwells in our hearts by faith, and we worship Him in the Spirit.

This is why the Scripture says that we worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Jesus Christ, and have no confidence in the flesh. It also says that the flesh profits nothing, and that those in the flesh cannot please God.

Gary K · Dec 27, 2023

Watchman1 said:
The point I am making is that we don't worship a physical Jesus. The Scripture is quite clear that we don't worship Jesus in the flesh, but He dwells in our hearts by faith. Mary was totally devoted to Jesus before His crucifixion and resurrection. She most probably would have embraced Him, walked arm in arm with Him, and held His hand many times. This was not romantic, but out of gratitude that He rescued her from a life dominated by evil, having cast seven demons out of her. So, in the garden, she went to do the same thing that she had always done, moved to embrace Him. But now, Jesus was different, and so her relationship with Him was totally changed from being in the flesh to being in the Spirit. Therefore it was no longer appropriate for her to have physical contact with Him.

She would have experienced the full revelation of how worship was going to be when in the upper room, she was one of the group on whom the Holy Spirit fell on the day of Pentecost. Then she knew what it was to worship Christ in Spirit and in truth.

The lesson for us is that we do not relate to Christ in the flesh, but through the indwelling Holy Spirit. This is why I don't believe the reports of physical visitations of Jesus, or people going to heaven and meeting Jesus and coming back to report it. We won't see the physical Jesus until He comes again, and in the meantime, He dwells in our hearts by faith, and we worship Him in the Spirit.

This is why the Scripture says that we worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Jesus Christ, and have no confidence in the flesh. It also says that the flesh profits nothing, and that those in the flesh cannot please God.

I disagree completely. But am not going to discuss it further as the gulf between our positions is so vast that we share no common ground.

Reasonably Sane · Dec 29, 2023

Watchman1 said:
If I was to receive good ministry, Youtube is an excellent resource. This means that receiving good ministry is just one aspect of attending church. If that is one's only reason then they end up being leeches, sucking the life out of those who are working hard to contribute to the life of the church. I have found over the years that being bonded into a group of supportive Christians is essential to being supported and encouraged in the faith. Also, a good fellowship is the place where there are opportunities to serve the Lord with the gifts He has given.

When I moved to Christchurch (NZ) I joined a small church that had around 15 people to a morning service. When I asked the Lord why He put me here, He said, "It is not what you get out of a church, but what you put into it, and these people need someone like you." Within weeks, I found that I became the church treasurer and the property convener, because of my administrative skills. Then they needed someone to be part of the preaching and worship leading team, and because of my MDiv, and experience in leading services, I am on the roster to take a service once every six weeks. Because much of the ministry of the others is on the liberal side, and I have a Reformed Puritan theology, I don't get much out of the ministry that comes over the pulpit. But when I lead a service I teach the Bible and give them the true Gospel of Christ, telling them what Jesus did for them on the Cross and that He was raised from the dead to give them eternal life. I also do the church bulletin and am able to fill it with witty sayings, photos, and jokes to show that our church does have a sense of humour. I have Tuesdays and Thursdays as my church days (I am retired), have lunch with the Op Shop ladies, and involve myself in other community activities.

So for me, going to church is not just sitting in a pew for an hour on Sunday mornings. I am bonded into a supportive fellowship of fellow elderly people who have one foot in the grave just like me at 76 years old, and enjoy every time I have with them. Because of their advanced age, I work to ensure that they know the way to heaven through faith in Christ and His finished work on the Cross. If they end up in heaven with the Lord because of my influence, then I will be more than that satisfied.

That is what church means to me. What does it mean to you?

We're on the same page.

In my case, my main involvement is playing in the worship band and making "comments" in Sunday school. I taught it a couple of times but my class was more for young people than my "50+" crowd. And my subject matter made them nervous. My beliefs about the LXX being the "true" OT and my adherence to CI rather than ECT. I'm in the bible belt now, and all that that implies. But interestingly, after my open heart surgery I've had a change of heart (no pun intended) about teaching. That is, rather than get into the weeds about the nuts and bolts of the OT, which few people even want to hear, I'm going for a deep dive into the four gospels and how they relate - and sometimes don't. That comes from my belief that the bible is not "the" word of God, but rather, "contains" the word of god.

Presbyterian Continuist · Dec 29, 2023

Reasonably Sane said:
We're on the same page.

In my case, my main involvement is playing in the worship band and making "comments" in Sunday school. I taught it a couple of times but my class was more for young people than my "50+" crowd. And my subject matter made them nervous. My beliefs about the LXX being the "true" OT and my adherence to CI rather than ECT. I'm in the bible belt now, and all that that implies. But interestingly, after my open heart surgery I've had a change of heart (no pun intended) about teaching. That is, rather than get into the weeds about the nuts and bolts of the OT, which few people even want to hear, I'm going for a deep dive into the four gospels and how they relate - and sometimes don't. That comes from my belief that the bible is not "the" word of God, but rather, "contains" the word of god.

It is said that Jesus used the LXX when He quoted from the Old Testament. That shows that He viewed it as authentic. It is also interesting that the LXX uses the Greek word for "virgin" in the Isaiah quote about Immanuel being born of a virgin, rather than the Hebrew word which could mean "young woman" as well as virgin. Post modern liberals, who den the virgin birth use the Hebrew word to say that Mary was not a virgin when Jesus was born. But Mary herself told Luke when he interviewed her about the events surrounding the birth of Jesus, that she was a virgin, and that she told the angel: "How can I bring forth a child when I have never known a man?" meaning that she had never 'done the deed".

I just thought I would add those interesting facts to show that the LXX made some things clearer than the Hebrew version. Actually "LXX" is Roman for "70" and this shows that 70 Classical Greek scholars translated the original Hebrew into Greek to enable a wider readership among those who had adopted Koine Greek through the influence of Alexander the Great's conquest of the known world at the time.

Reasonably Sane · Dec 30, 2023

Watchman1 said:
It is said that Jesus used the LXX when He quoted from the Old Testament. That shows that He viewed it as authentic. It is also interesting that the LXX uses the Greek word for "virgin" in the Isaiah quote about Immanuel being born of a virgin, rather than the Hebrew word which could mean "young woman" as well as virgin. Post modern liberals, who den the virgin birth use the Hebrew word to say that Mary was not a virgin when Jesus was born. But Mary herself told Luke when he interviewed her about the events surrounding the birth of Jesus, that she was a virgin, and that she told the angel: "How can I bring forth a child when I have never known a man?" meaning that she had never 'done the deed".

I just thought I would add those interesting facts to show that the LXX made some things clearer than the Hebrew version. Actually "LXX" is Roman for "70" and this shows that 70 Classical Greek scholars translated the original Hebrew into Greek to enable a wider readership among those who had adopted Koine Greek through the influence of Alexander the Great's conquest of the known world at the time.

Yep. There are also a lot of books that are in the LXX that are not in our Masoretic text based OT in our modern English translations.

reddogs · Jan 4, 2024

Presbyterian Charismatic said:
When Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well, He told her that the day would come when people would not worship in a particular place but they would worship the Lord in Spirit and in truth. When He spoke to Mary Magdalene at the empty tomb He told her not to touch Him as she tried to embrace Him. He said this because He was no longer to be worshiped in the flesh, because now as the risen Lord, He is to worshiped, as God, in Spirit and in truth. It also has been said that after His resurrection and ascension, we relate to Him in the Spirit and not after the flesh, because the flesh profits nothing. And so, because Christ dwells in our hearts by faith, we will not see Him in the flesh until He comes again.

What this means to us is that we no longer are bound to worship Him in any particular place, on any particular day, or at any particular time. These are worship in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore that kind of worship profits nothing. Furthermore, Jesus Himself has become our Sabbath, and therefore overrules all previous instructions about the Sabbath, Therefore we keep the Sabbath by having Christ dwelling in our hearts by faith, and therefore worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

What this means is that those who are trying to worship Christ by keeping either Saturday or Sunday as their "Sabbath" are approaching Him in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and therefore their worship is meaningless and without profit as far as God is concerned.

I just dont see where Christ changes the day He made for man at Creation...

John 4:23-25 King James Version
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 4, 2024

reddogs said:
I just dont see where Christ changes the day He made for man at Creation...

John 4:23-25 King James Version
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Jesus is our Sabbath, making the Jewish Saturday Sabbath observance obsolete.

Gary K · Jan 4, 2024

Presbyterian Charismatic said:
Jesus is our Sabbath, making the Jewish Saturday Sabbath observance obsolete.

Scripture reference please.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 4, 2024

Gary K said:
Scripture reference please.

I've already quoted the relevant Scripture from the book of Hebrews. If you are not prepared to abide with what the Bible says, then there is no further discussion on the subject.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 4, 2024

Reasonably Sane said:
Yep. There are also a lot of books that are in the LXX that are not in our Masoretic text based OT in our modern English translations.

What's that got to do with the LXX referring to mother of the Messiah being a virgin rather than just a young woman as some interpret the Hebrew?

Gary K · Jan 4, 2024

Presbyterian Charismatic said:
What's that got to do with the LXX referring to mother of the Messiah being a virgin rather than just a young woman as some interpret the Hebrew?

So I'm supposed to have read all your posts?

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 4, 2024

Gary K said:
So I'm supposed to have read all your posts?

If you want to know about how Jesus has become our Sabbath rest, why not actually read the Book of Hebrews in the Bible? Not some selected verses, but the whole book. Let the Holy Spirit instruct you through the written Word.

The Sabbath is the 'Lords Day', not Sunday.

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