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THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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Anderseric

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Yes, I agree with you about Matthew 22:37-40. I think I also read the same language in Deut.6:5, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength." I also found the second most important instruction in Lev. 19:18, "you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord."

If Jesus repeats the same language more than a couple times, should we believe He is clear about how He wants us to walk? What did Jesus mean in Lev.19:18 when He said we should "love your neighbor"?
 
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I can't agree more. So, if Jesus came only for the lost children of the House of Israel, is it possible that we (gentiles) should join the House of Israel? I think Jesus hopes all of His lost children will become grafted in again just as we have chosen faith in Him and grafted into His root or tree of life. I guess what I am asking is: Do we all seek to become "children of Israel"? Not as Jews or Gentiles but as His children?
 
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Do not be greedy, do not steal, lie, cheat, be fair and compassionate, don’t insult people or cause others to stumble, be impartial and fair in your judgements, do not slander others or gossip, stand up for others and protect them, do not promote hatred, confront and rebuke others who stumble in sin, do not seek revenge but instead forgive.
 
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If you mean by “all” everyone in the world I would say sadly not which is most unfortunate. But we must try to reach as many as we can planting seeds that will hopefully grow over time.
 
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Doctor: Could you help me out and refer me to any place in the Scriptures that either Jesus, Paul or any of the Apostles ate anything unclean? That would help me a lot. Thank you.
 
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Again, you are right. Are those instructions any different from those Jesus gave on Sinai for His people to follow?
 
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If you mean by “all” everyone in the world I would say sadly not which is most unfortunate. But we must try to reach as many as we can planting seeds that will hopefully grow over time.

I think Jesus hopes "all" will come but knows that only a "few" will enter His gates. The question is: Do we all seek to follow the same instructions when we have faith in Him? Is to "love your neighbor as yourself" the same for Ruth and Rahab just as it is for us?
 
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Yes I believe so. But that doesn’t necessarily mean we will all have the same ideas regarding doctrine. I like to keep in mind that to all who knock the door will be opened and all who seek will find and God is faithful to finish what He has begun in us. With that being said are only those in a particular denomination seeking and knocking? No I don’t believe that is the case. Perhaps the Holy Spirit has guided us to be exactly where He wants us to be. At least for now. Many Christians change their beliefs after receiving a more comprehensive understanding of the scriptures and perhaps different people need to start with a certain perspective that will better suit them as baby Christians before they can move away from the “milk” to a more solid teaching.
 
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Yes, I think that is what Paul meant in Acts 15. If we are turning to God, stop with the idolatry and then go and learn the rest. Paul added that we should go and study on the Sabbath. Maybe all believers will one day choose to walk in that way too. Blessings..
 
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I believe so. I think he is saying we should not be in rebellion against God's Word and of course as Paul says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19. And as John says "these things I write that you sin not" 1 John 2:1. Bottom line we never get "a little rebellion is good for the soul" from them.
 
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Yup, we all rebel some. We are sinful after all. Keeping His Sabbath is a good start. Hopefully, the rest will come.
 
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Yup, we all rebel some. We are sinful after all. Keeping His Sabbath is a good start. Hopefully, the rest will come.

I don’t think those who worship on Sunday is out of a desire to rebel but quite the opposite my friend.
 
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I agree that in Acts 15 we see the apostles overrule the necessity of circumcision based on the purpose of the commandments rather than following the letter of the commandments.

I don't think that is the case. The "command" that all gentiles must be circumcised or they cannot be saved can be found in Acts 15:1 - but that is where someone is just "making stuff up" and it is what is being challenged during that meeting. Such a command is not found in God's Word as something He commands.

I believe that this is Jesus’ message in Matthew 22:37-40.

In Matt 22 Jesus says the rock-solid-foundation of all of scripture "all the Law AND the prophets" are the great commands "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 and "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18.

That is very different from "by these two commands all scripture ... all the Law and the prophets - are deleted/downsized/set-aside". He is rather arguing for the firm establishment of scripture not the diluting and downsizing of it.

37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

Jesus said this is the case before the cross (before anything remotely could be considered "nailed to the cross") and it remains the case after the cross.

no change.

The purpose of the Sabbath is to honor God.

True - so also the purpose of the command "to not take God's name in vain".

Personally I believe we can do this on any day or every day of the week.

We can "honor God" any day of the week but we cannot bend/edit His Word to make the 7th day "any day of the week" and still call that honoring God.


Which was a reference to the ceremonial system and to circumcision specifically.

There is no such thing as "it is unbearable to honor God's Sabbath according to His 7th day specification but it is bearable if we get to bend it to week-day-1" -- you cannot find that in Acts 15. Or anywhere in all of scripture.

What is more the 7th day Sabbath is uniquely applied to Gentiles in Isaiah 56:6-8 where they are specifically singled out for 7th day Sabbath keeping. And according to Isaiah 66:23 "all mankind" will be keeping Sabbath for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.

There is not one single case in the NT were "Sabbath" is bent to some amorphous "any day you select" definition. For example Acts 18:4 they worship "Every Sabbath" in the Synagogues coming together and hearing Gospel preaching.

The term never means "and by Sabbath we mean any day of the week or every day of the week".

in Christ,

Bob
 
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I don’t think those who worship on Sunday is out of a desire to rebel but quite the opposite my friend.

Those catholics who pray to the dead and bow down before images promising to serve those that are represented by the image - is not being done out of a desire to live in rebellion against God. I think we would all agree with that.
 
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Please read post 419 friend.
 
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Yup, we all rebel some. We are sinful after all. Keeping His Sabbath is a good start. Hopefully, the rest will come.
Jesus says simply: "repent, turn to Yahweh, for His Kingdom is now"
and "go and sin no more" (do not continue rebelling)
 
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Concerning Isaiah 66:23 the Hebrew word bâsâr also means kin or blood relation. We know that not all men will worship God actually most men will rebel against Him resulting in their destruction in the Lake of Fire.

Concerning what Peter said in Acts 15 do you believe that only those who worship on the Sabbath possess the Holy Spirit?
 
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Those catholics who pray to the dead and bow down before images promising to serve those that are represented by the image - is not being done out of a desire to live in rebellion against God. I think we would all agree with that.

Praying to the Saints is not forbidden brother Bob. It is not necromancy or witchcraft and they are not seeking council as stated in the scriptures forbidding consulting with “familiar spirits”. They are merely requesting prayers of supplication from those who are very much alive living in the presence of God. Personally I do not practice praying to the Saints I pray directly to God but I don’t rebuke others who do because it is not forbidden in the scriptures.

Now concerning images in the church I do agree that no one should bow to them although many people don’t realize that images of likeness are not necessarily forbidden. Bowing to images is forbidden but the images themselves are not forbidden so long as they are not worshipped or bowed to. In exodus 20:2 the word image is translated from the Hebrew word pecel which is specifically referring to carved or graven idols. It does not refer to images of likeness. The word for an image of likeness is tselem. So exodus 20:2 does not forbid the creation of carved or graven statues or pictures unless they are worshipped or bowed to.
 
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