The Sabbath debate goes on, but should it?

tall73 said:

And the first sentence you quoted of me indicates that.

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OK and?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

OK and

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I indicated it meant judges. You indicated it meant judges. So I would imagine we agree on that part.

tall73 said:

I indicated it meant judges. You indicated it meant judges. So I would imagine we agree on that part.

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OK so? That does not change my points...

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

OK so? That does not change my points...

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Why would it change your points? I was making a note about Bob's incorrect framing of the text.

tall73 said:

Why would it change your points? I was making a note about Bob's incorrect framing of the text.

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I don't know, you were replying to me, not Bob. That is why I asked you.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I don't know, you were replying to me, not Bob. That is why I asked you.

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To review:

1. I responded to Bob to point out that he changed the word in his paraphrase of verse 5 from "judges" to "observes." I also pointed out, contrary to his assertion that there was no reference to not observing, that verse 6 in the majority text and textus receptus includes a statement about not judging.

2. You replied to me saying "You have completely misinterpreted the meaning of that passage", and then giving your view.

3. Then I replied to you to say that I didn't misinterpret the meaning of that passage because I had not yet interpreted the meaning of the passage at all. I did not give my view on that verse or the larger context. I simply pointed out that he changed the text of verse 5, and disregarded the majority text and textus receptus reading of verse 6.

4. You and I went on to agree that the word in vs. 5, κρίνει, means "judges", which upheld part of my initial objection to Bob's inaccurate paraphrase.

Since your interpretation of the text dealt with the larger context and themes in the chapter my critique of Bob's paraphrase had nothing to do with your view. But you may want to wait to accuse people of misinterpreting until they actually interpret the text. I had not interpreted, but pointed out how the text actually read, in order to better weigh the interpretations put forward.

Now I will see if Bob and you can come to agreement on your different views. Bob's view that it refers to the holy days, and yours that it deals with food and fasting may have some overlap in that the Day of Atonement is a fast day. But since you have not fully spelled out your view yet it is too early to know if you and Bob will agree.

Either way Bob's changing of verse five to support his view is inaccurate.

tall73 said:

To review:

1. I responded to Bob to point out that he changed the word in his paraphrase of verse 5 from "judges" to "observes." I also pointed out, contrary to his assertion that there was no reference to not observing, that verse 6 in the majority text and textus receptus includes a statement about not judging.

2. You replied to me saying "You have completely misinterpreted the meaning of that passage", and then giving your view.

3. Then I replied to you to say that I didn't misinterpret the meaning of that passage because I had not yet interpreted the meaning of the passage at all. I did not give my view on that verse or the larger context. I simply pointed out that he changed the text of verse 5, and disregarded the majority text and textus receptus reading of verse 6.

4. You and I went on to agree that the word in vs. 5, κρίνει, means "judges", which upheld part of my initial objection to Bob's inaccurate paraphrase.

Since your interpretation of the text dealt with the larger context and themes in the chapter my critique of Bob's paraphrase had nothing to do with your view. But you may want to wait to accuse people of misinterpreting until they actually interpret the text. I had not interpreted, but pointed out how the text actually read, in order to better weigh the interpretations put forward.

Now I will see if Bob and you can come to agreement on your different views. Bob's view that it refers to the holy days, and yours that it deals with food and fasting may have some overlap in that the Day of Atonement is a fast day. But since you have not fully spelled out your view yet it is too early to know if you and Bob will agree.

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I think I replied to you thinking it again was Ivan. Sorry, you are correct. No I was not speaking to Yom Kippur, but weekly days of fasting.

Clare73 said:

Not according to Heb 8:13.

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8:13 is in relation to the old covenant. He was quoting from the giving of the new covenant in Jeremiah, which is restated in Hebrews 8, and again partially in Hebrews 10. So I am not sure what you were intending by citing Heb. 8:13.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I think I replied to you thinking it again was Ivan. Sorry, you are correct. No I was not speaking to Yom Kippur, but weekly days of fasting.

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Did you have in mind the Didache statement on specific days, or just an unstated dispute about fasting days?

tall73 said:

Did you have in mind the Didache statement on specific days, or just an unstated dispute about fasting days?

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Shavuah tov. probably both.

tall73 said:

8:13 is in relation to the old covenant. He was quoting from the giving of the new covenant in Jeremiah, which is restated in Hebrews 8, and again partially in Hebrews 10. So I am not sure what you were intending by citing Heb. 8:13.

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I'm "intending". . .I made a mistake, which you pointed out.

Clare73 said:

I'm "intending". . .I made a mistake, which you pointed out.

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Oh ok, that is fine, I just wasn't sure if you were making some point I hadn't heard before.

God bless.