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The Sabbath and Sunday

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thereselittleflower

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Oh, I had a good laugh in a thread in CA . . after someone reponded to me with a post that had typical anit-catholic propaganda, a Protestant poster said this:

Oh man, I'm outta here before the fists start flying.:eek:
I laughed so hard I almost did you know what . . It just struck me so funny . .

I invited the poster who is asking questions to challange Catholic beliefs and practices to come here to aks questions . . but to be careful how he words them . . I don't know if he will show up, but I do hope to disappoint the poster who posted that quote above! :D


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ChoirDir said:
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that we worship on Sunday's to remember the Resurrection. Christ died on Friday and rose on the third.....Sunday!
Have to see if I can find it.
Yes, that is what I remember as well . . it is The Lord's Day in honor of His ressurection . . and we have references to it in the New Testament as well as the Early Church Fathers . .


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ChoirDir said:
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that we worship on Sunday's to remember the Resurrection. Christ died on Friday and rose on the third.....Sunday!
Have to see if I can find it.
That is exactly why we worship on Sunday. We celebrate our risen Lord.
 
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ChoirDir,

This is certainly a part of Holy Tradition, but I think that history shows that the real reason Sunday prevailed as the chosen day of worship was due to the fact that the Gentile Christians quickly outnumbered the Jewish Christians. Despite what many are led to believe, there were many "pagan gentiles" who were monotheists. Sol Invictus originated in Syria,and was certainly monotheistic. However, many of these religions adored the Sun, if not as God as a symbol of God, and worshipped on "Sun-day", or they day of the Sun.

Just as the Jewish believers continued to worship on Saturday, so the Gentiles worshipped on Sunday. The Old Testament did not hold much sway over Gentile converts, and in fact it was and still is taught by Judaism that gentiles are not even allowed to observe the Sabbath in the same manner as the Jews. So why would gentiles worship in the same manner as Jewish believers? They wouldn't.

Paul wasn't out to turn people into Jews. He was out to bring people to belief in Jesus Christ. In fact, as you will recall, Paul was often in conflict with the Church in Jerusalem.

God Bless,

~cleopa
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I think it was very natural for the Jewish Christians to continue Sabbath practices while at the same time meeting to break bread on the first day of the week . . Once the Temple was destroyed in 70AD. thngs began to change pretty drastically for all . . a lot of Jewish Christians were killed for being Jews . . the Jewish rebellion didn't help anything at all . .

The Gentile Christians were not expected to worship on Saturday's . .they could not go into the synagoges, they would have had no tie to Judiasm, and they would have every tie to the Lord's Day as a day of worship . . I think what Emporer Hadrian accomplished pretty much cemented the differences between them . . Jews were not allowed anywhere near Palastine . . they couldn't even be within viewing distance of it . .


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KennySe said:
Mithraism, for example, had very little presence within the Roman Empire in the first century, and so for that reason alone simply could not have been a major influence on early Christianity's development. Scholar M.J. Vermaseren has stated: "No Mithraic monument can be dated earlier than the end of the first century A.D." No images of this god were found in Pompeii--buried by Vesuvius in 79 A.D. A standard technique of skeptics is to read back from something done by a pagan religion in a later century to the first century and say it influenced the first century church, such as saying communion (the Passover ceremony) was similar to Mithraism's ceremonial meals. They will take an inscription dated from 376 A.D. that said, in Latin, "reborn for eternity in the taurobolium and criobolium," and say these two pagan ceremonies that sacrificed bulls and sheep influenced first century Christianity's idea of spiritual begettal. Easily, by then, the pagans could have gotten this idea from Christianity instead!"QUOTE]

Except for the fact that Caananite religions were replete with stories of "saviour gods" who died and rose from the dead. This is a classical nature worhsip theology. Death coincides with the solstice, and life emerges again in the Spring.

Mithraism was only one of numerous Sun-Worship / Nature Worshipping sects. Sol Invictus, which originated in Syria, was around long before Mithraism. The Jews were surrounded by peoples who worshipped in this manner. Why do you think Paul's preaching was so effective? It was because he taught Christ in a manner the Gentiles could understand. Does that mean he lied? No, of course not. It just means that he knew that the message was more important than the manner in which it was transmitted.

That's why he was always in trouble. He saw that the message of truth was more important than the rituals and dogma. Paul was able to communicate his message by relating it to the person or persons he was addressing.

~cleopa
 
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