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katholikos

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People keep talking about "vain repetition". The key word there is "vain". It was vain for the pagans to babble to false gods. It is NOT vain to pray constantly to the true God. This bogus use of this scriptutre to attack the Rosary is just dumb. As T.L. Frazier points out:




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ive always heard that vain repetition is a poor translation, that its more like vain babbling.......

The only babbling I have ever heard comes from these guys who think they are speaking in tounges when in fact they are just mumbling.
 
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Such practices produce Saints. You see no such thing in Evangelicalism.
to be entirely fair, I think you have to acknowledge that "evangelicalism" doesn't deliniate beteen "s"aint and "S"aint.

The only babbling I have ever heard comes from these guys who think they are speaking in tounges when in fact they are just mumbling.

somebody else said it better earlier, Katholikos..... see below.

we should always guard ourselves against vain prayer. Since it's nearly impossible to know if someone else has vain intentions, it's probably best not to judge them based solely on their external appearance.
 
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Someone asked about Orthodox prayers and what a prayer rope/chotki looks like. Here's a photo of a small one - they come with either 33, 50 or 100 knots, or monastics might use larger ones.



They are used when repeating the Jesus prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me (a sinner)". They are only used for counting purposes, if a person wants to pray a certain number of prayers. Otherwise they are not necessary, as we are to pray ceaselessly, and we try to keep this prayer in our hearts and minds at all times. There are no other prayers used with a prayer rope, as there are with a Rosary.

Orthodoxy has a problem with the wording of some of the prayers used in the Rosary, but mostly, we disagree with the use of mental images/meditation during prayer.

Mary
 
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i got a prayer rope from a coptic church
do muslims have something similar?
why do you have problems with meditation during prayer? is not meditating on the things of God a good thing? I am sure some Orthodox priests encourage that type of thing
 
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Chotki is the Slavic word for the English "prayer rope". Same thing, different word.

Perhaps an Orthodox member could explain hesychastic prayer?
A great source for the average Joe would be the book "The Way of a Pilgrim" (or is it "the Pilgrim"?) It was written in Tsarist Russia about a man, or a pilgrim, who heard his priest deliver a homily about St. Paul's Epistle when the saint said "pray without ceasing". The pilgrim asked his priest for direction who, if I recall correctly, send the pilgrim to the nearby monastery. The pilgrim was then taught how to pray the prayer rope unceasingly and the book is about how the pilgrim lived traveling around Russia reading nothing more than his copy of the Bible and a book which his spiritual father gave him and also praying the Jesus Prayer on the prayer rope unceasingly.

A great book. Truly edifying and not that hard to find.


i got a prayer rope from a coptic church
do muslims have something similar?
why do you have problems with meditation during prayer? is not meditating on the things of God a good thing? I am sure some Orthodox priests encourage that type of thing
I don't think the Muslims have something like it.

As for the whole prayer rope vs. rosary thing, that is not something I personally could answer. My personal "beef" is the stopping between every decade, but I'm no theologian who could answer it.
 
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