The revolt of Lucifer / Satan?

[DennisTate]

Was there zero pain and suffering previous to the revolt of Lucifer / Satan?

That is certainly my assumption.

Dr. Richard Eby reported being details about the revolt of Lucifer that sure do fit with all the many verses on the subject in scripture.


Ezekiel 28:12

"Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

What Dr. Richard Eby reports sure does seem like Messiah Yeshua - Jesus keeping his promise to speak plainly of the Father in the future.

John 16:25

"These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

Dr. Richard Eby:

Jesus paused again.

"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed 'adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony 'sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

"But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan's world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!"
(Dr. Richard Eby, near-death .com)

 

[Saved.By.Grace]

Maybe it is me, but I have never seen any connection between this passage in Ezekiel, and the fall of the devil! I think this guy Eby is a fake.

 

[DennisTate]

Maybe it is me, but I have never seen any connection between this passage in Ezekiel, and the fall of the devil! I think this guy Eby is a fake.

The details added in Isaiah 14 may help.......

Isaiah 14:1 (KJV)

Isaiah 14:12

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, andconsider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

 

[Saved.By.Grace]

The details added in Isaiah 14 may help.......

Isaiah 14:1 (KJV)

Isaiah 14:12

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, andconsider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

thanks, I know of this passage. "Lucifer" in the Hebrew is "helel", and means no more than "shinning one", and not actually a name!

 

[DennisTate]

thanks, I know of this passage. "Lucifer" in the Hebrew is "helel", and means no more than "shinning one", and not actually a name!

Thank you for that.... I had heard the name "Helel" pronounced before but my spelling was incorrect.

I find it interesting that Revelation 12 does confirm Lucifer / Satan / the Dragon.... leading a third of the angels in his attempted coup against God.

Revelation 12:3

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And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think Satan rebelled until the Church Age, or at least not until the Incarnation.

Job shows Satan still an active agent of God operating in his role as Adversary of man in heaven.

Revelation 12 maps Satan's rebellion squarely to the Church Age. I believe Isaiah 14 is a prophesy.

 

[YesMe]

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus's words about the devil.Jesus says that he was a murderer from the beginning, beginning of what? Beginning of creation, my guess.Jesus may point to the revolt of Satan against God or the moment when Cain killed Abel ( being the first murder ).

Revelation 20:2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years"

The devil and Satan are one and the same.

 

[DennisTate]

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus's words about the devil.Jesus says that he was a murderer from the beginning, beginning of what? Beginning of creation, my guess.Jesus may point to the revolt of Satan against God or the moment when Cain killed Abel ( being the first murder ).

Revelation 20:2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years"

The devil and Satan are one and the same.

I get the impression from these verses that many of the angels had been created before the earth had been formed.

It seems that the revolt of Satan happened some time after the original creation of the earth.



Job 38:4 - 8

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"