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I can play that game too, if you like.
Wrong.
God wants worship to be genuine. Wouldn't you?
Or would you prefer robots and the conquered to bow to your tyrannical will and iron fist?
That's funny, coming from someone who seems to think God will ultimately make everyone worship him.I can play that game too, if you like.
Wrong.
God wants worship to be genuine. Wouldn't you?
Or would you prefer robots and the conquered to bow to your tyrannical will and iron fist?
John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
No. I think free will still applies in "hell". Within the obvious constraints. You believe everyone there chose to be there, right? (free will)That's funny, coming from someone who seems to think God will ultimately make everyone worship him.
And you think everyone is gonna come around? Didn't seem to work with the demons and they know Jesus is Lord. Do demons still have freewill?No. I think free will still applies in "hell". Within the obvious constraints. You believe everyone there chose to be there, right? (free will)
Do demons have tongues? Knees? (every knee will bow and every tongue confess)And you think everyone is gonna come around? Didn't seem to work with the demons and they know Jesus is Lord. Do demons still have freewill?
If that's what you think, then your odds are pretty good.Imagine thinking restitution of all things means everyone will enjoy being in God's presence.
If you wish to be known by what you have done for the Lord, you will suffer destruction as well. All these great things that we THINK we did for God will go up in smoke, victims of the all-consuming fire....How could anyone come to the conclusion about all being saved given what else is said in Philippians?
Philippians 1:27 Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Then, whether I come and see you or only hear about you in my absence, I will know that you stand firm in the one Spirit,[e] striving together as one for the faith of the gospel 28 without being frightened in any way by those who oppose you. This is a sign to them that they will be destroyed, but that you will be saved—and that by God.
Philippians 3:19
19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things.
Perhaps you could expand on that for us? Thanks.Dear Sky: If you and David know what it means to be IN/EN Christ, you will begin to know what it means for every knee to bow, and every tongue confess IN His Name>>>>
You are Lord!
Perhaps you could expand on that for us? Thanks.
Those in opposition actually use that as an argument against Universalism.
Saying those in "hell" cannot be saved, only those "in Christ" will be saved.
How is "in Christ" applied to everyone?
(including those who were not believers in this age)
Wow. Thanks.Dear Steve: The proclamation of every being, in every dimension of the heavens, the earth, and the underworld ultimately worship the King of kings IN/EN union with His Name. It is NOT by rote, it is NOT "at" the sound of His Name, but in union with Him. Perhaps harmonious strains of antiphonal worship would come close to describe it.
Every being IN antiphonal worship!
Wow. Thanks.
While reading your reply I saw in my spirit the continuous worship led by our Lord and Savior. And each new soul joining the chorus when they are ready to enter in. Countless billions ascending individually from the abyss with hands once bound, now lifted in worship to the Father and Son, entering the bliss of his presence and leaving the chains of darkness behind. Sweet.
I guess Buzz was right after all....That awakening in the realm of Spirit and Life has horizons I am convinced reach beyond, beyond.
If you wish to be known by what you have done for the Lord, you will suffer destruction as well. All these great things that we THINK we did for God will go up in smoke, victims of the all-consuming fire.
How could we take personal credit for any gold, silver, or costly stones found in the wreckage of our lives? Yet grace rewards us for taking the materials God hands to us and obediently building with it.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Perhaps you misunderstand what I claim.The verse you quoted contradicts what you claim. Building a foundation on faith is doing something. The "work" we must do is to continue in the faith. Of course, we are not to be praised for simply keeping on keeping on, but it is the requirement God makes for eternal life.
Hebrews 11:6 Without faith no one can please God. Anyone who comes to God must believe that he is real and that he rewards those who truly want to find him.
If God threw you into "hell", how long would it take you to believe that he is real and that he rewards those who truly want to find Him? Hopefully not forever.The verse you quoted contradicts what you claim. Building a foundation on faith is doing something. The "work" we must do is to continue in the faith. Of course, we are not to be praised for simply keeping on keeping on, but it is the requirement God makes for eternal life.
Hebrews 11:6 Without faith no one can please God. Anyone who comes to God must believe that he is real and that he rewards those who truly want to find him.
There's no indication that you still have the option to become a believer at that point. I'm sure you would believe as the demons do. But mental assent is not saving belief.If God threw you into "hell", how long would it take you to believe that he is real and that he rewards those who truly want to find Him? Hopefully not forever.
How can you NOT be a believer if you are a believer?There's no indication that you still have the option to become a believer at that point. I'm sure you would believe as the demons do. But mental assent is not saving belief.
Lots of people will be turned away because they believe with their minds but not thier hearts. Not everyone who says Jesus is Lord means he has made Jesus his Lord.How can you NOT be a believer if you are a believer?
What about declaring with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord"? Would that be saving belief?
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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