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He spoke from out of the whirlwind. Job 38.God wasn't in the whirlwind.
I would submit it is already here.The new age is coming
And with it a strong delusion
In post 327 You quoted off me bouncing off another post of mine and said "he repented of something" I simply clarified "that something" is written, "being of the evil" he thought to do them and showed likewise if they turned from their evil as he said (in Jeremiah) as is demonstrated in Jona he would repent of it. But in 1 Ch 21:15 the one before it when he sent an angel in to destroy, it was David who sinned and ordered the numbering not them 1 Ch 21:17 David was given a choice of three things to choose from, you would have to read up to that place.
2 Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
God never told Job why. The answer was not the answer but the answerer.
OK, so then why would God plague the Israelites in the first place if the reason he repented was because they hadn't sinned (if I'm understanding you correctly)?
The reason God plagued the Israelites was because of David, right?Which verse arent you understanding?
How about we try to answer the question of: If God allows something, is God guilty of it? Because it seems like that is the question people are asking concerning how God dealt with Job. Some folks think God can be guilty of evil for allowing evil.[a sin of omission?] I disagree with that idea. Perhaps we are just really limited in understanding God's nature. will stick with God being the unknowable known.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
How is this understood?
By the above I had this in mind
1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.
God "sent to destroy"
What's also interesting about this passage is that God repented of something.
He repented of the evil he thought to do to them,
As He says in Jeremiah...
Jerm 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. (snip)
Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
God spake by the prophets, and continues
Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
Here it is
Jona 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Which shows again the same...
Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. (snip)
Sure, but why did he repent of the evil that he thought to do to them? They didn't turn from their wickedness, as far as I am aware. So why was it?
(snips the first part)
2 Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
OK, so then why would God plague the Israelites in the first place if the reason he repented was because they hadn't sinned (if I'm understanding you correctly)?
The reason God plagued the Israelites was because of David, right?
2 Ch 21:17 And David said unto God, Is it not I that commanded the people to be numbered? even I it is that have sinned and done evil indeed; but as for these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, O LORD my God, be on me, and on my father's house; but not on thy people, that they should be plagued.
God often punishes or rewards Israel as a nation. We Jews function as a group, a people. When Achan disobeyed God's instructions and looted gold and hid it under the floor in his tent, God did not say "Achan sinned." God said, "Israel sinned," and God punished all the children of Israel.Hi,
You say that God repented of the evil that he thought to do to Jerusalem because David said it was his fault. But God already knew it was David's fault, so then why did God plague Jerusalem? He plagued them for some reason, and then repented. Why?
Remember that we're dealing with an omnipotent omniscient being here.
OK, so why does God punish collectively instead of individually?God often punishes or rewards Israel as a nation. We Jews function as a group, a people. When Achan disobeyed God's instructions and looted gold and hid it under the floor in his tent, God did not say "Achan sinned." God said, "Israel sinned," and God punished all the children of Israel.
Open heart. That was how achan's sin was disclosed.God often punishes or rewards Israel as a nation. We Jews function as a group, a people. When Achan disobeyed God's instructions and looted gold and hid it under the floor in his tent, God did not say "Achan sinned." God said, "Israel sinned," and God punished all the children of Israel.
So that we as Jews will take care for each other, be responsible for one another. When we see another Jew slipping into sin, we will approach him and try to bring him back onto God's Way, the way a family cares for one another. It's like when a Chabadnick in Israel stands on the street corner in Israel and says to Jews passing by, "Have you laid Teffilin today?" (Have you prayed today.) He then listens compassionately to whatever they have to say, even if it is bitter words about God. Then he gently asks, "So, would you like to lay Teffilin now?"OK, so why does God punish collectively instead of individually?
God delivered all of Israel into the hands of Ai. Not just Achan's family. When Joshua fell down and asked why, this is what God said:GOD did not hold the whole house of Israel responsible although it was clear that Josjua's whole army felt the effects of Achan's sin, HE held achan's house responsible
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