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OK, then you're simply denying what God said in Job 2:3.
God permitted that but God refused to move his own hand against Job as Satan wanted.
Job was innocent, but he lacked understanding about Gods ways not being our ways. He probably knew it, but his suffering was too great and his mind tried to comprehend it. Job was not self righteous, he was just enduring a great hardship, and he was just a man who needed to learn more about God. That's true of everyone. Our flesh is a burdensome thing, we all struggle in it. James says Job was an example to consider, Jobs patience is noted. I believe that and I see how we all struggle, especially myself. Job was not a self righteous hypocrite. He quickly humbled himself at Gods rebuke, and that's something the Pharisees could never do. They were self righteous.
God focused on His own glory, majesty and sovereignty, so Job never heard directly from God as to why He suffered. But God had already commended Job as a righteous man, and now He brought him to repentance for his self-pity. So the lesson is that the righteous will suffer, but will also be rewarded in the end.So, how did God answer Job's questions in the "whirlwind speech" at the end of the book?
Job was not self-righteous but righteous, and he honestly stated his righteousness to his friends. Since God called him righteous, we must accept God's assessment.That was wise of Job but he was still a bit self righteous before that which is why God rebuked him so sharply and for so long.
he handled nothing poorly until he opened his mouth before GOD "disturbing GOD'S (good) councilLike I said, he handled things well at first but then he handled everything poorly which resulted in God literally chewing Job out for a few chapters, putting him in his place then Job realized how awful and wrong he had been and repented. That's what the book speaks about. And the lesson is is we can fail but through repentance we can be saved.
he handled nothing poorly until he opened his mouth before GOD "disturbing GOD'S (good) council
There was no reason for Job to repent until after he was made aware that GOD had not forsaken him and that all things were under HIS Sovereign control.
Job repented of this only...that he did t realize that GOD had all things under HIS Sovereign control and nothing was outside of HIS Sovereign control including Job throughout his sufferings
When Job said,
It doesnt seem to be wrong to acknowledge the above as coming by his hand even if given into anothers hand because He ultimately has the power over whoever is given power over you (even in our afflictions)
No, he handled a lot poorly, and sinfully.
Actually he repented when God made it clear he was wrong about everything he said about God that was negative.
Job repented of his terrible sins.
Job was a fine example of humbleness.
What it sounds like he was saying"what the" and then proceeded to tell God his woes but in a very accusatory way. I know that for accrediting satan with God's glory is blasphemous (sp) but is accrediting satans work to God also? I think not that so much as it was like any petition to God in the extreem of the experience and that answers were given like delayed prayer. What the book's key lesson to be learnt is that no matter the trails prayer does work. I think we can assume that Job's boldness toward God received from God an audience but also what may be God's form of reasoning.He was not self righteous in my opinion, he was instead a man suffering greatly. His mind was on the brink of insanity I assume.
Only at the beginning and the end....not during the very long middle part.
Only at the beginning and the end....not during the very long middle part.
If JOB was so self-righteous, he wouldn't have needed a "Daysman" (reference Job9)That was wise of Job but he was still a bit self righteous before that which is why God rebuked him so sharply and for so long.
What it sounds like he was saying"what the" and then proceeded to tell God his woes but in a very accusatory way. I know that for accrediting satan with God's glory is blasphemous (sp) but is accrediting satans work to God also? I think not that so much as it was like any petition to God in the extreem of the experience and that answers were given like delayed prayer. What the book's key lesson to be learnt is that no matter the trails prayer does work. I think we can assume that Job's boldness toward God received from God an audience but also what may be God's form of reasoning.
Yes. Lack of faith...All I know is that I cannot compare Job to a self righteous Pharisee. I see Job more as an apostle type person, who endured great hardship, and although he despaired of life, he still was very humble minded. To think that Job should have handled his great anguish in a better way it to think Job should have been perfect. Job learned from his experience unlike a self righteous person, like the Pharisees who never learned anything. I see Jobs pathway as our own. Its not self righteousness that Job had to repent of, but his lack of faith during hardship. Job showed faith at first, but then after his wife abandoned him he probably sunk deeper into tribulation, and when he opened his mouth after many days of silence, his friends only accused him. Perhaps they should have been quiet.
it is easy to have and show faith in seasons of plentyCrisis, that sounds like Jobs situation.
What it sounds like he was saying"what the" and then proceeded to tell God his woes but in a very accusatory way. I know that for accrediting satan with God's glory is blasphemous (sp) but is accrediting satans work to God also? I think not that so much as it was like any petition to God in the extreem of the experience and that answers were given like delayed prayer. What the book's key lesson to be learnt is that no matter the trails prayer does work. I think we can assume that Job's boldness toward God received from God an audience but also what may be God's form of reasoning.
That may be according to the letter the right way of thinking about it but in the context of spiritual lesson I think it fits well with the book of Hebrews example.All I know is that I cannot compare Job to a self righteous Pharisee. I see Job more as an apostle type person, who endured great hardship, and although he despaired of life, he still was very humble minded. To think that Job should have handled his great anguish in a better way it to think Job should have been perfect. Job learned from his experience unlike a self righteous person, like the Pharisees who never learned anything. I see Jobs pathway as our own. Its not self righteousness that Job had to repent of, but his lack of faith during hardship. Job showed faith at first, but then after his wife abandoned him he probably sunk deeper into tribulation, and when he opened his mouth after many days of silence, his friends only accused him. Perhaps they should have been quiet.
By the way. Accrediting satans work to GOD just as accrediting GOD's work to Satan is blasphemyThat may be according to the letter the right way of thinking about it but in the context of spiritual lesson I think it fits well with the book of Hebrews example.
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