The Purpose of Progressive Adventist?

sentipente · Dec 14, 2007

OK. This is enough misinformation. Let the record show that historically the very first Adventists were Progressive Adventists. It was the progressive spirit that led those first brave souls to break away from the traditional views of the organizations to which they then belonged. Traditional Adventists could never have been so bold. Which explains why they are so set against the spirit of progress represented here.

reddogs · Dec 14, 2007

StormyOne said:
you are SOOOOO wrong... but then again I disagree with most of what you post, and that is after its been tested and found to be wrongly dividing the word... thanks for sharing what you think, and of course I don't share that view.....

It is not my opinion you need to worry about, its God and the truth in His word and the law of love which He gives us which you need to address....

StormyOne · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
It is not my opinion you need to worry about, its God and the truth in His word and the law of love which He gives us which you need to address....

which I do.... and thankfully what God says and what you think he says is not even close....

reddogs · Dec 14, 2007

StormyOne said:
which I do.... and thankfully what God says and what you think he says is not even close....

So you say, but read the scripture first...believe...and accept as the Spirit guides...

moicherie · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
But they share the same direction, and it leads them to apostasy, and eventually pushing a false gospel or view such as the evangelical and rejecting the Spirit of Prophecy which is the testimony of Jesus Christ. So even if they dont know what they believe, or have diversity of belief, or have given up believing, a spirit comes when it sees them hesitate in the path to life, they may feel it is leading them to truth as it entices them off the path, but they dont test to see if it is a false spirit which slowly, subtly or imperceptibly is leading them away from the way, truth and life.

Mmm stereotyping again, this is just as bad as racial or gender stereotyping now we have religious stereotyping adventist style. you should know better than this Red.

moicherie · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
So you say, but read the scripture first...

We do hence we can respond to your misinformation. The gospel according to Red is not in my version of the bible.
The job of Tare/Wheatfinder was never advertised by heaven.

StormyOne · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
So you say, but read the scripture first...

read it.... and its been interpreted, and not in the manner that you interpret.... so we can simply say we don't agree.... what you do works for you Red, in my opinion you are not true to the word with your interpretations, but that's you.... The good thing is that God has never told me to follow Red to get a better understanding of who God is.... likewise you are not obligated to follow me.... which is probably a good thing.....

Avonia · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
But they share the same direction, and it leads them to apostasy, and eventually pushing a false gospel or view such as the evangelical and rejecting the Spirit of Prophecy which is the testimony of Jesus Christ. So even if they dont know what they believe, or have diversity of belief, or have given up believing, a spirit comes when it sees them hesitate in the path to life, they may feel it is leading them to truth as it entices them off the path, but they dont test to see if it is a false spirit which slowly, subtly or imperceptibly is leading them away from the way, truth and life.

Red, couldn't everyone follow this line of reasoning to protect their own inside position? The problem then being there are a hundred different inside positions of groups reading the same source text. How would a person from any position come to the truth if their line of reason keeps them from looking?

reddogs · Dec 14, 2007

Avonia said:
Red, couldn't everyone follow this line of reasoning to protect their own inside position? The problem then being there are a hundred different inside positions of groups reading the same source text. How would a person from any position come to the truth if their line of reason keeps them from looking?

That is why Gods word is the standard, and the Spirit leads us into understanding of the truth, and if we could see the lenght and breath of Gods love, we wouldnt even worry about the Law as we would be so way beyond it in showing our love for God, and Christ would be here tommorrow if not today to take us with Him...

Mankin · Dec 14, 2007

Red we have been patronized enough. We have been called heretics ever since we came here. Just give it a rest(not meant as a flame).

StormyOne · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
That is why Gods word is the standard, and the Spirit leads us into understanding of the truth, and if we could see the lenght and breath of Gods love, we wouldnt even worry about the Law as we would be so way beyond it in showing our love for God, and Christ would be here tommorrow if not today to take us with Him...

you have responded with vague and nebulous phrases, godtalk, and trite statements..... how does your response answer the question? It doesn't......

NightEternal · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
But they share the same direction, and it leads them to apostasy, and eventually pushing a false gospel or view such as the evangelical and rejecting the Spirit of Prophecy which is the testimony of Jesus Christ. So even if they dont know what they believe, or have diversity of belief, or have given up believing, a spirit comes when it sees them hesitate in the path to life, they may feel it is leading them to truth as it entices them off the path, but they dont test to see if it is a false spirit which slowly, subtly or imperceptibly is leading them away from the way, truth and life.

It's as if I never even posted any of that stuff!

I give up. Think what you want Red.

StormyOne · Dec 14, 2007

NightEternal said:
It's as if I never even posted any of that stuff!

I give up. Think what you want Red.

haven't you noticed, he usually posts what he wants regardless of the feedback.... oh well....

reddogs · Dec 14, 2007

NightEternal said:
It's as if I never even posted any of that stuff!

I give up. Think what you want Red.

Some are further along than others, but the drift is unmistakable....

reddogs · Dec 14, 2007

StormyOne said:
you have responded with vague and nebulous phrases, godtalk, and trite statements..... how does your response answer the question? It doesn't......

I never see you posting any answers just a quick hook in my rib.... , give us some answers to our questions, some 'sermons' from scripture, pop one up every now and then.....you used to do it before.....

RC_NewProtestants · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
But they share the same direction, and it leads them to apostasy, and eventually pushing a false gospel or view such as the evangelical and rejecting the Spirit of Prophecy which is the testimony of Jesus Christ. So even if they dont know what they believe, or have diversity of belief, or have given up believing, a spirit comes when it sees them hesitate in the path to life, they may feel it is leading them to truth as it entices them off the path, but they dont test to see if it is a false spirit which slowly, subtly or imperceptibly is leading them away from the way, truth and life.

Unfortunately Red has assumed that Ellen White is the divine interpreter of Scriptures. It is something we find among many Adventists. It is why Dale Ratzlaff book was titled the cultic doctrine of SDA. Because when you define your religion by a 19th century prophet you have left behind the common aspects of Christianity and moved to the cultic side of the road. Once there it becomes easy to declare anyone else as people in apostasy or rejectors of God.

And that was the purpose of this thread by Red. It did not matter what we said, he did not even respond to those posts which pointed out the purpose of progressive Adventism. Dealing with issues and ideas has never been a strong point of Traditional Adventism and probably never will be because then it would not longer be traditional Adventism.

Avonia · Dec 14, 2007

RC_NewProtestants said:
Dealing with issues and ideas has never been a strong point of Traditional Adventism and probably never will be because then it would not longer be traditional Adventism.

I see your point, but traditionals are intrinsic to our meaning. They are resisting progressives for a reason. There is a foundation to protect, and I don't mean just the 28. That's a minor part of our foundation. Without our foundation, there's nothing to build on. How many times do progressives get all charismatic about changing the church and then take off. Without traditionals, any organization is in trouble. Without progressives, any organization will eventually die. This could be a good marriage! If we get divorced, we'll just want to get remarried!

sentipente · Dec 14, 2007

Avonia said:
Without traditionals, any organization is in trouble. Without progressives, any organization will eventually die. This could be a good marriage! If we get divorced, we'll just want to get remarried!

Well said!

reddogs · Dec 14, 2007

Avonia said:
I see your point, but traditionals are intrinsic to our meaning. They are resisting progressives for a reason. There is a foundation to protect, and I don't mean just the 28. That's a minor part of our foundation. Without our foundation, there's nothing to build on. How many times do progressives get all charismatic about changing the church and then take off. Without traditionals, any organization is in trouble. Without progressives, any organization will eventually die. This could be a good marriage! If we get divorced, we'll just want to get remarried!

Bam!... She swings, she hits, homerun......

Avonia · Dec 14, 2007

reddogs said:
Bam!... She swings, she hits, homerun......

Red that's your second baseball reference. For your first one, I thought you were listing ADVENTIST heroes, not baseball heroes! I felt completely out of touch since I knew NONE of them! Whew . . . close call.

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