• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

The Problem Of Pain - Draft Essay

Status
Not open for further replies.
The Problem of Pain - "Why does a loving God allow suffering?"

An common objection to Christianity has to do with the following problem:

1. The Christian God is omnipotent.
2. The Christian God is omnibenevolent.
3. If the Christian God exists, suffering would not.
4. Suffering exists.
5. Therefore, the Christian God does not exist.

This line of thought is flawed in its third premise. It presumes to know the thoughts and motivations of an infinite being, based on strictly human terms, and makes assumptions without all of the information. God has revealed some of His ways to us though Scripture and through Jesus Christ. These two sources have provided the answer to the above problem, and I will outline my response in these terms.

Suffering is a Necessary Component of Freewill.

The majority of the suffering in our world is the direct result of the sins of people. Whether that comes in the form of war, crime, pollution, laziness, or any other kind of disobidience to God's direction. God gives us the freedom to make our own decisions, and a logical consequence ofthat freedom is that we can cause problems for ourselves and others. Thus, suffering is a direct result of freewill. The same ability that allows us to choose eternal paradise over eternal torment, necessarily produces suffering during this earthly existence. Freewill is inherintely good, as is all things that comes from God, but what we do with that gift is up to us. I will call this type of suffering, 'caused suffering'.

Another kind of suffering exists which does not come directly from the sins of people. We sometimes will endure hardship that seems random or uncaused, and which makes our lives difficult. Perhaps a freak accident causes the death of a loved one, a tornado rips through a highly populated area, or a child comes down with a fatal disease. These events happen everyday in our world and they are not caused by people. They also do not come from God, since God is good and does not cause suffering. God allows this suffering, however, because He has given a certain amount of freedom to nature, just as He has given a certain amount of freedom to people. I will call this second type of suffering, 'natural suffering'.

Now, we must remember that God is in control. This may at first seem to contradict the fact that God gives freedom to both people and nature, but the fact is that all things are ultimately under the control of God, and events unfold only as God allows. Since this is true, we must ask, why does God allow these things to happen to us?

God will allow our faith in Him to be tested through trials. The Bible records this fact both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Bible also tells us that God will not allow us to be tested beyond our ability to endure these trials. It is through hardship that we can choose to trust and follow Him, or to curse and hate Him. In this way, suffering promotes freewill as a necessary ingredient. If we already lived in perfect paradise while on Earth, we would not have room to make free choices. Heaven, the perfect paradise, means that we are in the eternal and direct presence of God, and if we were in that state, we could have no freewill. We would be so in awe with the majesty of the Most High, that we would literally be unable to choose to act in a way contrary to His will. God gives us freedom of choice, and He wants us to love Him enough to give that freedom back to Him. That is the entire purpose of this life, to know, love, and serve God. By continually giving our freedom back to God, we slowly complete ourselves and eventually ascend to eternal paradise, the ultimate completion of this process.

We are not meant to suffer.

The Bible also tells us that God did not intend for us to live in such a world. Of course, God knew what would happen when He put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, so in a sense, it can be said that God planned it. This actually makes sense given the properties of freewill that have been discussed above. God being omnibenevolent, wouldn't cause such a world to exist, but like all of our sins, He can actually create good out of them. This cursed world that we live in has the curious after-effect of producing souls that are capable of deciding to move into eternal paradise of thier own free choice. God doesn't want robots, He wants people to love Him freely. It is an oxymoron to think that God could create a creature with a freewill that chooses to love Him because it is created that way. This love must be freely given to God, and that is what makes it meaningful to Him. He loves us freely, and He wants us to love Him freely. Stating that God can not do something does not contradict His omnipotence. God acts according to logic, in fact, God created logic itself, it is His way. If something is illogical, God's inability to do it is not a limit. A logical contradiction is nonsense, and God does not engage in nonsense. Can God create a rock that is too heavy for Him to lift? No, that is nonsense. His inability to do that is not a limit, it is logical. Thus, the beauty of it all, is that the sin that brought forth suffering, ends up allowing us to freely move into Heaven, through the grace and wisdom of God.

Earthly Suffering is Finite.

As a final note, I would like to illustrate that humans have a hard time imagining eternity. Everything that we see in the natural world exists in a finite amount of time. If we could actually conceptualize the eternal, we would realize that the 75 years or so of life that we spend on Earth is, for all practical purposes, irrelevant by comparison. Of course, while in this finite lifetime, our suffering seems far from irrelevant, but compared to eternal paradise, it really does pale in comparison to such a degree, that it is practically non-existant. This is true based on the properties of infinity, which we can approximate mathematically. Perhaps an analogy will be more helpful. If you live for one Billion years in paradise, what will 75 years on pain-plagued planet Earth mean to you, when you look back through your 1,000,000,075 years of life? Extending this comparison to infinity, the 75 years shrinks relative to the eternal, so that by comparison, it almost doesn't exist. Hardly a big price to pay in exchange for Heaven.

Copyright 2002, Chris Weathers
 

Reformationist

Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam
Mar 7, 2002
14,273
465
52
✟44,595.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Originally posted by s0uljah
Not debate really, just discussing. Its not creative, as in fiction, heh, so please dont move it there, despite what you think of freewill.

The reason I'm asking has nothing to do with my opinion of free will.  You didn't pose a question or seem to encourage feedback.  The Creative Writing forum is not just for fiction.  All I was inquiring about was whether you are open to debate on the points you pose in your "draft?"

God bless
 
Upvote 0

Reformationist

Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam
Mar 7, 2002
14,273
465
52
✟44,595.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Originally posted by s0uljah
Not at all!

Thanks! :)

Where does it say in the Bible that God is omnibenevolent?  I don't need the exact word, just an implication would suffice.  Also, before I get too far on this, how do you define "omnibenevolent?"

Thanks,

God bless
 
Upvote 0

Reformationist

Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam
Mar 7, 2002
14,273
465
52
✟44,595.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Originally posted by s0uljah
Omnibenevolent = All good.

Where do I get this in the Bible? Well, I would say, all over the Bible, heh. Let me look for ya...

LOL!  Well, I would agree that definition.  No need to look it up.  In my experience most Christians don't use the word "omnibenevolent" to mean "all good" or "all loving" but rather "good/loving to all."  I would not agree with that definition.

God bless
 
Upvote 0
Originally posted by Reformationist
LOL!  Well, I would agree that definition.  No need to look it up.  In my experience most Christians don't use the word "omnibenevolent" to mean "all good" or "all loving" but rather "good/loving to all."  I would not agree with that definition.

God bless

Hmmmm...we might have to disagree here. I mean, God is all loving and wants everyone to be saved, but I believe that you disagree on that point from past discussions.
 
Upvote 0

Reformationist

Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam
Mar 7, 2002
14,273
465
52
✟44,595.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Originally posted by s0uljah
Hmmmm...we might have to disagree here. I mean, God is all loving and wants everyone to be saved, but I believe that you disagree on that point from past discussions.

Well, I guess the question would be, are there any examples in the Bible of God doing something to someone where His motive towards that person was not love?  What do you think?  Is every action God sovereignly commits predicated by a love for the object of His action?

God bless
 
Upvote 0

Rafael

Only time enough for love
Jul 25, 2002
2,570
319
74
Midwest
Visit site
✟6,445.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Trying to describe God's attributes is difficult, if you don't mind me jumping in here. It always ends up in us judging His character by what He's done. We are not able to do many of the things and have a poor understanding of all things. This all intersets me, though, and I hope you don't mind me asking a question.
How would you explain God's judgment on Egypt's first born when Pharoah wouldn't let the Israelites go. How would this fit into omnibenevolence?
Thank you.
 
Upvote 0

Reformationist

Non nobis domine sed tuo nomine da gloriam
Mar 7, 2002
14,273
465
52
✟44,595.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Originally posted by raphe
Trying to describe God's attributes is difficult, if you don't mind me jumping in here. It always ends up in us judging His character by what He's done. We are not able to do many of the things and have a poor understanding of all things. This all intersets me, though, and I hope you don't mind me asking a question.
How would you explain God's judgment on Egypt's first born when Pharoah wouldn't let the Israelites go. How would this fit into omnibenevolence?
Thank you.


That's a great point raphe!  Instead of "judging His character by what He's done" don't you agree it would be better to believe in the righteousness of His actions based on His character?

Do you believe in omnibenevolence, raphe?  Because the example you point out is just one of many where God's actions are not predicated by a motive of love towards the object, in this case the first born.

God bless
 
Upvote 0

Rafael

Only time enough for love
Jul 25, 2002
2,570
319
74
Midwest
Visit site
✟6,445.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Sorry for being so slow getting back. Hmmmmm. Good question.
I pretty much have come to the conclusion that I have no business judging God or trying to manuver His actions into a favorable reasonable appearamce for others to see. He doesn't need my defense. He said that He is love, and all His actions are love to those that He chooses.
When I was a little boy, I'd play and set up my own worlds with toys and set 'em up and knock 'em down just the way I liked. I was sovereign there and the vanquished, one day, could be the heroes the next.
I believe that God takes care of every one of His creations in a just manner. If they do not exist on this plain, they may well be elsewhere, with Him in some manner that I know not of. There are several examples of what may seem to be innocent lives lost due to the sins of one man in the Bible, but I'm sure that God's character of love remains intact. Pharoahs sins caused the death of many innocents. How unusual is that, really? The same thing has happened in wars throughout history, but God can and will overcome all injustice eventually.
Omnibenevolence........? That's a good word, I suppose, to describe Him.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.