the presidants speech last night

[tom]

wanted to get your reaction to the presidants speech here last night it will beinteresting to see what happens now.

 

[Bruce S]

Open up your wallets and dump out the change there. More and more money. It will never ever end. Dealing in the Middle East is like that for anyone, a total swamp sucking the life out of anyone that thinks they can clean up society over there. Ask the Spanish about the Moors, the Greeks about the Turks, or the Crusaders were the first ones to find out that surviving in or amound the Muslims is impossible. They have one rule. You die, or convert, or you can stay, but your life will be miserable. Almost as miserable as life is for themselves in all be a few societies over there.

Thank God for Christianity, say whatever you like about it, it does make most Christian nations tolerable to live in, for the most part.

 

[OldBadfish]

Why don't they use the billions they found in Saddams house?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Open up your wallets and dump out the change there. More and more money. It will never ever end. Dealing in the Middle East is like that for anyone, a total swamp sucking the life out of anyone that thinks they can clean up society over there. Ask the Spanish about the Moors, the Greeks about the Turks,

Yes, conquest can be an expensive business...

or the Crusaders were the first ones to find out that surviving in or amound the Muslims is impossible. They have one rule. You die, or convert, or you can stay, but your life will be miserable. Almost as miserable as life is for themselves in all be a few societies over there.

Life under the Crusaders wasn't much different.

Thank God for Christianity, say whatever you like about it, it does make most Christian nations tolerable to live in, for the most part.

How soon we forget our shameful past...

During the middle ages, it was Christian Europe that was backwards, stagnant, and intolerant. One of the reasons that the Renaissance was possible was that the writings and knowledge of ancient civilizations, particularly the Greeks, had been carefully preserved and translated... by the Islamic world. They were the enlightened ones. Aristotle was a particular favorite in the Middle East.

History, if nothing else, has a certain pattern to it. It would seem that the roles of the Christian and Islamic worlds are reversed -- for now. That's no reason to sound self-righteous...

 

[datan]

Why don't they use the billions they found in Saddams house?

I think it's gone already

 

[Wolseley]

From another thread:

I believe if the United States would cease sending foreign aid to Israel, Egypt, and every other country in the world which is tapped into the American well of endless money, George Bush wouldn't have to ask Congress for one dime to rebuild Iraq.


We should re-route all that money to where it's needed, not continue supporting the assorted parasites on our dole.

IMHO.

 

[Goldstein]

The Washington Post has a graph comparing Bush's $87 billion request to various other budget items. It's more than twice the budget of the Department of Homeland Security, and more than triple the entire foreign aid budget for next year. $87 000 000 000 is a bitter pill to swallow but I think, and hope that it will get us out of Iraq quicker. Hooray for deficit spending.

Edit: Here's more. "To put it in perspective, Bush hopes to spend more in Iraq and Afghanistan than all 50 states say they need -- $78 billion -- to finance the budget shortfalls they anticipate for 2004.

The request is higher than the $74 billion the Defense Department plans to spend on all new weapons purchases next year, and higher than the $29.5 billion the Education Department hopes to spend on elementary and secondary education plus the $41.3 billion the administration plans to spend to defend the homeland."

 

[datan]

to put it into perspective, there were 130 million American individual taxpayers this year...the total amount requested so far is about $166 billion...which means each American taxpayer pays about $1200

 

[Maso]

Bush is going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat to save his presidency, and that's what he'll do...by busting bin Laden...you'll see...and soon too.

 

[Chuck_Darwin]

$87 billion more to spend on top of the $480billion deficit. How much was that Tax cut(revenue reduction)? I think he should find a way to pay for the govenment with out burdening our children. Nothing like a spend and borrow republican.

 

[Saint Philip]

to put it into perspective, there were 130 million American individual taxpayers this year...the total amount requested so far is about $166 billion...which means each American taxpayer pays about $1200

You know all those hispanics flooding in into the country and all those single moms... they don't pay taxes. They file to get the Earned Income Credit (welfare through taxes) as well as to get back what they paid in, if they paid anything in.

That 166 billion doesn't even cover replacing used equipment and munitions (like all those zillion-dollar missiles dropped), nor does it cover the pre-existing military budget. And, countless billions are to follow.

Probably less than a third of filers actually pay anything significant.

Lanakila edited out offensive statements.

 

[feral]

If Bush hadn't sent American soldiers to die in Iraq, we wouldn't have to rebuild anything, now would we?

 

[feral]

You know all those hispanics flooding in into the country and all those single moms... they don't pay taxes. They file to get the Earned Income Credit (welfare through taxes) as well as to get back what they paid in, if they paid anything in.

That 166 billion doesn't even cover replacing used equipment and munitions (like all those zillion-dollar missiles dropped), nor does it cover the pre-existing military budget. And, countless billions are to follow.

Probably less than a third of filers actually pay anything significant.

How does racism factor in? Are you referring to illegal immigrants from Mexico who are occasionally hired as migrant workers and make practically no money,or Jennifer Lopez, Antonio Bandaras and Ricky Martin, who make millions and pay a great deal of taxes? Hispanic is a race, not a social class. Stop playing ignorant...I'm sure you understand the difference between poverty and skin color, don't insult your intelligence.

As for single mothers, I work ed as a nanny for one. She made $100,000 last year, as a pediatrician. I don't know any single parents who are on welfare. Perhaps your complaint should be with the deadbeat fathers who abandoned their children and left the child and mother to fend for themselves.

 

[Lanakila]

If Bush hadn't sent American soldiers to die in Iraq, we wouldn't have to rebuild anything, now would we?

Saddam and his sons, and the rest of the Baathists would still be killing their own people by putting them feet first in wood chippers too. Put yourself in the Iraqi shoes for a minute. Most of them are just impatient at not having water and electricity. We get impatient after an hour with our electric cut off, so I can understand that.

 

[Rae]

Nitpick: "Hispanics can be of any race." Hispanic itself is not a race. It's a culture, an ethnicity.

Whatever the reason, I hope our soldiers leave Iraq soon, before more of them are murdered. If I remember right, Lana, your husband's over there (?)...how's he doing?

 

[Lanakila]

He's home. Thanks for asking Rae. He came home July 26th, and he wasn't in Iraq but Kuwait.

 

[eldermike]

wanted to get your reaction to the presidants speech here last night it will beinteresting to see what happens now.

I thought He gave answers to the current crop of questions.

I also think He's suffering from success. We don't have any buildings being knocked down in the USA so: He's now facing the problem of overcoming the ones that claim that other methods of dealing with the problem could of/would of/should of been used.

 

[datan]

"victim of his success" -- wow, that's the first time I heard anything like that...most reactions I've read are that he's desperate for help and on the defensive on why the bill on Iraq is so high.

 

[Doctrine1st]

Other than the plea for more of our tax money and the long realized notion by everyone except this administration, that we need some sort of coalition trop support, the speech was deviod of any context and demostrated they have and had no ideal what they got themselves into regarding the war.

 

[Rae]

Glad to hear he made it home okay, Lana.