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Rev - Considering that Christ prayed for his followers to be one and reflecting upon the fact that we are living in the age of Ecumenism, might it not be a good idea for the Missouri Synod and the Wisconsin Synod to at the very least delete any specific reference to this matter in their denominational positions?
Care to share your thoughts?
Rev - Considering that Christ prayed for his followers to be one and reflecting upon the fact that we are living in the age of Ecumenism, might it not be a good idea for the Missouri Synod and the Wisconsin Synod to at the very least delete any specific reference to this matter in their denominational positions?
Not to mention the points have been hammered down. The bible obviously disagrees with the whole concept of the papacy, and I agree to it, at the very least I don't understand how people can not see that the papacy is not biblical.
Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
Because the RC is not based only on Scriptures. They hold to Traditions and traditions. But, regardless, they interpret the Pope as being scriptural from the passing down of the keys and the feed my lambs conversation with Christ.
The argument is much from silence during the first 800 years of the Church (approx), until the West determined to be under one Overseer - Bishopric Office.
As philosophical as I can be, I have a hard time "seeing" an Office as the Anti-Christ. The closest I can see as an Anti-Christ is Pope Boniface VII and his "Unam Sancta" encyclical where he says:
Seriously...
Source: Search for Unam Sancta and select the link for Fordham (dot) edu.
I'm still under 50 posts
Peace
truefiction1 said:There are Keys to unlocking the riddle of anti-Christ. Neither the Pope nor the office of the Papacy is "the" Anti-Christ (Capital A). There will be only one like this. But there are many, many people who have been, are, and will be anti-Christs, including Christian bishops, possibly even Popes.
Also, read the Treatise.
Please pardon my ignorance,
When you say the Treatise: is that the Smalcald Articles?
Thanks.
The Lutheran (confessional anyway) belief is that the papacy is THE Anti-Christ.
a belief quite possibly arising by means of object transference/projection and the corresponding reasonings that follow, and not necessarily by the illumination of the Holy Spirit of God.
It's my understanding that the Eastern Orthodox, while not using the term "Antichrist", have the same issues with "Papal Authority" as we do; hence the separation between East and West.
No. It's the Treatise on the Power and the Primacy of the Pope.
This paper from the Lutheran Church of Australia might give a balanced perspective.
http://www.truthorfables.net/dsto_2I_pope_antichrist.pdf
Anyway, to say that the Papacy denies Christ "coming in the flesh" would be ridiculous. Of all the ancient Sees, Rome is the only one that has never faltered on the person of Christ. This is why you have to be more careful with scripture, and understand that to the Reformers, the Office of the Papacy was antichrist not from a denial of the Deity or the orthodox doctrine of Christ (which is what the Apostle John was referring to re: gnostics etc) but from the perspective of the Gospel and false authority.
Hi Contra; this statement pretty well sums up where I'm at.
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