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But like I said, if you want to talk about PLUTO and the definition of a planet start a thread and tell us how yo would define a planet and why the current definition is flawed.

I second this. For all the complaining that AVET does over changing the terminology of "planet" so that it doesn't include Pluto, he has never told us what the definition should be or why Pluto should still be considered a planet.
 
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I second this. For all the complaining that AVET does over changing the terminology of "planet" so that it doesn't include Pluto, he has never told us what the definition should be or why Pluto should still be considered a planet.
33 -- (bottom paragraph).
 
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So this is the definition you're going with?

Then you also accept Eris, Ceres, Haumea and Makemake all as planets of our solar system as well, correct?
 
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I´d say a simple phrase taken from one of AV´s posts here show on of his major motivations: "...our ninth planet..."

These evil scientists have taken away something that belongs to us!

Mine! Mine! Mine! Give me back what is mine!
 
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I´d say a simple phrase taken from one of AV´s posts here show on of his major motivations: "...our ninth planet..."
I'd say that's pretty accurate.
 
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Did you click on the right link?


I guess not, but by that definition:


I'm still asking the same question. If dwarf planets could just be a different class of planet, does mean you'd consider them planets as well?
 
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Say what? The last time I ever heard the term "Planet X" was either a Duck Dodgers cartoon, or watching a TV documentary on the wacky ancient astronaut theories. What does this even have to do with anything?
 
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I don't know, but I could have sworn the first quote I posted was grabbed right from the link "33". Either way, it's a similar definition. I'm still asking the same question.

Simple put, would AV still consider Eris, Ceres, etc planets as well?

They are round. Well, Haumea being more elliptical, though still rounded due to it's own gravity.

Has anyone ever considered the fact that these dwarves are also referred to as "plutoids"? That is, any dwarf planet, in our solar system, in orbit around our sun.

I speculate that as we get further out, and deeper into the Kupier belt, things gradually become more numerous, less round, and smaller -- possibly with a gradual change in composition to comets and the like. There will be objects that will blur the line between round and lumpy. At what point does the terrain feature of an object trump it's geometry?
 
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So, if I make a round snowball it will be a planet, because it will orbit the Sun and it is round and it is not self-illuminating.
Those are called comets.
 
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So, if I make a round snowball it will be a planet, because it will orbit the Sun and it is round and it is not self-illuminating.

No, because the definition is that it's shape was a result of it's own gravity, let alone due to it's size. It also wouldn't be orbiting the sun on it's own. It would be heavily influenced by the earth's gravity. Hey, I'm trying to AV the benefit of the doubt here. lol I just haven't got an answer from him yet.

The point I'm trying to make is, if you classify Pluto as a planet, then we'd actually have something more on the order of 14-ish or so planets in our solar system... depending on where you would draw the line as to how small something can be before it;s no longer a planet. How round is round?
 
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Hey, I'm trying to AV the benefit of the doubt here. lol I just haven't got an answer from him yet.
Thank you -- and since you're being nice about it, I suppose I could answer you.

Read Laurele's post again -- the answer is in there.

She said we have two subcategories: gas and [something else -- Jovian, I think].

If we include a third -- the dwarfs -- then we'll have a problem.

Even the guy that discovered them didn't intend for them to be considered a category.

(Something like that. I'll have to go back and read the post again, myself. I'm terrible at debating on the scientific level. As one person once said, don't argue science with a scientist; he will drag you down to his level, then beat you to death with experience.)
 
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Definitely. I had an object orbiting the Sun under my feet. And that means I was also orbiting the Sun and the snowball too.
Well, there ya go then -- you answered your own question.

It would be a snowball, not a planet.

 
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