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I don't exactly know where I am going with this, so bear with me. This post is as much for myself and for anyone else.

It seems to me, that the common response to almost any dilemna is seek God and pray continually for guidance (Proverbs 3:5,6). Which I believe is true and I am definitely a firm believer in the power of prayer. But then many people go on to think that God will fix it, or things will get better. The truth is that for many Christians, it won't get better (in this life). They will suffer or be persecuted their whole lives and their justice will only come through salvation, our eternal reward. Their is no promise of justice for us now. 9 of the 12 apostles of Christ were martyrd for the lives they chose to live. Heaven is our reward. Have you read the Bible? It's full of stories about God's triumph's through our suffering.

Everyone seems to be waiting for the perfect mate to jump into their lives and passing up on those who aren't perfect or don't match their criteria. If problems arise, then not many are willing to work on their relationships and they just give up thinking that God never intended it to be. I've heard that the divorce rate among Christians is higher than the non-christians. But God makes us stronger through our struggles, and our relationships are bonded by the hurdles we overcome together. Our true strength is shown in our adversity. Relationships take work, don't run away at the first sign of trouble. Don't think of divorce as an option; if you consider it an option, you are already fighting an uphill battle. (Mark 10:2-12).

Our generation is a selfish one and we are focused on ourselves (generally speaking that is.) How often do we truly put others first? How often do we truly put God first? I hear it preached that the life of a Christian will be filled with peace and love and yet we quarrel amongst ourselves. We love one brother and despise the other. How does that look to the unbeliever? How do we appear any different that they? If anything, we become hypocrites for preaching love and then not living it. The world has trained us to ignore our hearts, when the greatest commandment is to love God will all your heart and the 2nd is to love your neighbor as yourself (Mark 12:29-31). Could you imagine what our communities would be like if we truly treated those around us with as much concern as we treat ourselves?

Also, even if all is going well in our lives. We have a good job, a good spouse, beautiful children, financial security, etc. The spirit inside of us still wars with our desires of our flesh (Romans 7:14-25). We cannot truly know peace or happiness except through the grace of God, who by Jesus Christ, overcame death and paid atonement for our sins.

I'm not trying to be negative or condemning, but realistic. We can still lead lives of peace and love, but we must rejoice in our trials and suffering because it is necessary for us to become more like Christ (James 1:2-5 & I Peter 4:19). When we live righteous lives, our desires our transformed and we take joy in the things of the Lord, even in our suffering. The only reason we have for peace is Jesus and in Him is our only hope. Eternal life is the only reward that we should seek and the only reward that we are promised (Romans 6:22).
 

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Hi throwingbones , and all ,

Appreciate the observations .

The following is meant to compliment those things - 1 verse ( or passage ) for each paragraph , from top to bottom .

For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. <-----> 2nd Corinthians 4:16

Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.
Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies.
<-----> Psalm 60:11+12

Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus .
<-----> Philippians 2:3-5

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. <-----> John 14:27

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us
. <-----> Romans 5:1-5

May The Lord Be Glorified .

wm
 
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Throwing bones has made an important point. Many posts on this forum arise from people for whom simplistic solutions are inadequate

We can all be rather simplistic at times. Quite early in my Christian life I realised that life was far to big and varied to be reduced to a set of formulas. So is God for that matter. I then set out to discover how my Christian beliefs could illuminate and support the issues of life, not just the 'religious'.

Today, many people seek my counsel. They recognise that I have thought and discovered biblical insights in advance of simplistic verse quoting and that these insightsreally work in everyday life - at work, within marriage and families, in dealing with horrific childhoods, in political and social analysis and many other areas of life here on earth.

The key. Reading a variety of good christian authors with different insights on the same topics, and generally reading widely.

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How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
<-----> Psalm 119:103-105


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
<-----> 2nd Corinthians 11:3+4


Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. <-----> 2nd Timothy 2:15

He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. <-----> John 7:18

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. <-----> Galatians 6:14


I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. <-----> Psalm 138:2

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. <-----> John
17:17

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
<-----> Ephesians 5:25-27

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. <-----> Psalm 119:11

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
<-----> John 8:31+32

Glory To God In The Highest !

wm
 
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Geez throwingbones, it seems so simple when you put it that way! :D

I've been reading, "The Lies Women Believe and the Truth that Sets Them Free" and one of the lies that hit home for me had to do with God taking care of all of our problems. I thought that was what was supposed to happen! Hey, I'm praying, right? Not so. We were not built for this world. We were created for Heaven! So nothing will EVER be right here.

Thanks for your insight. And for allowing us to read your thoughts!

God bless!

Lynn
 
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This is kind of a wild tangent, but have you ever read the book Man on Fire? In it there is a prayer at the beginning of the book. It basically says, Lord give me troubles for I shall not always have the strength to ask for them.

I have been having some struggles lately with various temptations. And I have found that God comes closest too me when I am most laid low by my weaknesses. I feel Grace most when I stumble worst. And God uses the insights I gain through my failings to help others. However I would not ask that others go through the things I have gone through. God made me strong for a reason, and I am sure He made me weak for His reasons also.

I think perhaps, and this is only my opinion, that only one who has gone through darkness can truly know how to spread light. Look at Jesus Himself, He came to earth and experienced all the temptations and sorrows this life produces. He came through that perfect to become our perfect guide. It is said that we have a saviour who knows the troubles we go through not one who is unaware.

I know that is a bit of a tangent, but I think it relates.
 
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