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k4c said:
I know the pioneers is had a problem with how Rome defined the godhead in its trinity form. So how did the pioneers define the godhead?

Keep it simple...thanks.
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Unfortunately, it's not a simple subject... here's a page for you to look at:

Seventh Day Adventists pioneers on the Trinity and Godhead issue

There is a brief introduction to the issue and quite a few links to pioneers writings on the subject of the trinity an/or the Godhead.

If I can offer a snapshot of my current feeble understanding of the pioneers belief, it is;

The Father and the Son are co-eternal and of one mind and manifest their will through the office of the Holy Spirit, which is of them and therefore of the same mind but distinct in it's form and function. The Catholic belief has the three of the same substance, negating the individual aspects of each.. at least that is my understanding.

There was so much debate in the late 1800's among Adventists that sister White essentially shut it down by stating that silence is golden in regards to this matter. Ultimately, the mystery of the Holy Spirit is not to be completely (or even remotely) understood by us here on this earth. Any opinions, thoughts and conjectures are simply that...
 
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Thanks, I've been doing a little research and there is so much stuff out there that it's hard to pin point what they actually believed. Hebrews keeps me searching. It says that in times past God spoke in divers ways through the prophets but in these last days He's speaking to us through his Son. If God was speaking to us in divers ways in times past but now He's speaking to us through His Son that means He was not speaking to us through His Son in times past.
 
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I really and truly believe that this is one of those things we will not understand on this earth. We don't even have a common frame of reference to which we can compare this...........phenomena( for lack of a better description). As far as the Bible is concerned He/They have always been. No beginning and there will be no ending. Without at least the origin of one, we can't even begin to know how the Trinity works. God is God, Creator of all, and He can definitely keep some knowledge for Himself, seeing as He is answerable to NONE of his creations. All we have are opinions of how we might believe it works, but they are valueless, beyond making good forum discussion.....
 
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Amen to all the above...

This is why I believe it's a dangerous practice to use the doctrine of the Trinity as a foundation of fellowship and even Christianhood itself. People have been put to death for their nonacceptance of this complicated, manmade, doctrine.

To me it seems that there is GOD, unseen andunapprochable by sinful man, period. He speaks and communicates His will through words via willing vessels. His word carries the same weight of authority and power just as though He was directly speaking to us in person. In times past He spoke through sinful man and at times the Word itself manifest in a tangible way seen in a Being we know as the Angel of the Lord or Michael. Michael is not a created being, but rather, the Word manifested in a tangible way. This same Word took on and manifesed itself through sinful flesh in the person of Jesus.
 
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k4c said:
I know the pioneers is had a problem with how Rome defined the godhead in its trinity form. So how did the pioneers define the godhead?

Keep it simple...thanks.
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The Adventist pioneers uniformly rejected the Catholic notion/concept the Trinity (the 1 in 3, 3 in 1 concept). The bible and EGW writings never used the word Trinity for the triune Godhead.

The pioneers believed the separate persons and personages of the Godhead. And many while believed in the divinity of the Son, held Arianism belief on the originality and the eternity of the Son.

This belief was later overturned by Ellen White's writings on the eternity of the Son after the first publishing of the Desire of Ages.
 
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Greetings to All:

Our pioneer did not fully understand as we do today about the error of the trinity. The made it very clear that they believe in three Supreme Beings and not in personalities with one body that is ridiculous. The problem came in the title god which is singular and not plural like the plural word Elohim that was given to by Yahweh from the beginning. The other problem is that many do not understand that is was the Son who spoke for His Father during the Old Testament and then became flesh for all mankind. Abraham met Yashua and the the 70 elders with Aaron and his two sons also saw the Son of the Most High. He truly was the Father Messenger and always represented Him on this earth. The pioneers kept using the wrong word "trinity" but you all know we must move on because this is a touchy point by the forum leaders. We do not need to cause problems so that is all I saying on this matter. If any want to discuss it further go private with me.

Happy Sabbath,
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